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Last Ranger to see Pat Tillman alive says told to conceal info

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  1. Ottomaton

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    I didn't want to go dig up the old article. This definitely elicited a 'holy crap!' reaction from me. Hopefully most people realized that this was the case, but to have it admitted in sworn testimony before an open committee meeting... :eek: :mad:

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    Last Ranger to see Pat Tillman alive says told to conceal info

    WASHINGTON- An Army Ranger who was with Pat Tillman when he died by friendly fire said Tuesday he was told by a higher-up to conceal that information from Tillman's family.

    "I was ordered not to tell them," U.S. Army Specialist Bryan O'Neal told the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

    He said he was given the order by then-Lt. Col. Jeff Bailey, the battalion commander who oversaw Tillman's platoon.

    Pat Tillman's brother Kevin was in a convoy behind his brother when the incident happened, but didn't see it. O'Neal said Bailey told him specifically not to tell Kevin Tillman that the death was friendly fire rather than heroic engagement with the enemy.

    "He basically just said, 'Do not let Kevin know, he's probably in a bad place knowing that his brother's dead,'" O'Neal said. He added that Bailey made clear he would "get in trouble" if he told.

    Kevin Tillman was not in the hearing room when O'Neal spoke.

    In earlier testimony, Kevin Tillman accused the military of "intentional falsehoods" and "deliberate and careful misrepresentations" in portraying Pat Tillman's death in Afghanistan as the result of heroic engagement with the enemy instead of friendly fire.

    "We believe this narrative was intended to deceive the family but more importantly the American public," Kevin Tillman told a House Government Reform and Oversight Committee hearing. "Pat's death was clearly the result of fratricide," he said, contending that the military's misstatements amounted to "fraud."

    "Revealing that Pat's death was a fratricide would have been yet another political disaster in a month of political disasters ... so the truth needed to be suppressed," Tillman said.

    The committee's chairman, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., accused the government of inventing "sensational details and stories" about Pat Tillman's death and the 2003 rescue of Jessica Lynch, perhaps the most famous victims of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.

    "The government violated its most basic responsibility," said Waxman.

    Lynch, then an Army private, was badly injured when her convoy was ambushed in Iraq. She was subsequently rescued by American troops from an Iraqi hospital but the tale of her ambush was changed into a story of heroism on her part.

    Still hampered by her injuries, Lynch walked slowly to the witness table and took a seat alongside Tillman's family members.

    "The bottom line is the American people are capable of determining their own ideals of heroes and they don't need to be told elaborate tales," Lynch said.

    Kevin Tillman said his family has sought for years to get at the truth, and have now concluded that they were "being actively thwarted by powers that are more interested in protecting a narrative than getting at the truth and seeing justice is served."

    Lawmakers questioned how high up the chain of command the information about Tillman's friendly fire death went, and whether anyone in the White House knew before Tillman's family.

    "How high up did this go?" asked Waxman.

    Pat Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, said she believed former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld must have known. "The fact that he would have died by friendly fire and no one told Rumsfeld is ludicrous," she said.

    Tillman was killed on April 22, 2004, after his Army Ranger comrades were ambushed in eastern Afghanistan. Rangers in a convoy trailing Tillman's group had just emerged from a canyon where they had been fired upon. They saw Tillman and mistakenly fired on him.

    Though dozens of soldiers knew quickly that Tillman had been killed by his fellow troops, the Army said initially that he was killed by enemy gunfire when he led his team to help another group of ambushed soldiers. The family was not told what really happened until May 29, 2004, a delay the Army blamed on procedural mistakes.

    In questioning what the White House knew, Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., cited a memo written by a top general seven days after Tillman's death warning it was "highly possible" the Army Ranger was killed by friendly fire and making clear his warning should be conveyed to the president. President Bush made no reference to the way Tillman died in a speech delivered two days after the memo was written.

    A White House spokesman has said there's no indication Bush received the warning in the memo written April 29, 2004 by then-Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal to Gen. John Abizaid, head of Central Command.

    "It's a little disingenuous to think the administration didn't know," Kevin Tillman told the committee. "That's kind of what we hoped you guys would get involved with and take a look," he said.

    Mary Tillman told the committee that family members were "absolutely appalled" upon realizing the extent to which they were misled.

    "We've all been betrayed ... We never thought they would use him the way they did," she said.

    The Tillman family has made similar accusations against the administration and the military before, but has generally shied away from news media attention. The family had never previously appeared together and summarized their criticism and questions in such a public, comprehensive way.

    "We shouldn't be allowed to have smoke screens thrown in our face," Mary Tillman said. "You're diminishing their true heroism to write these glorious tales. It's really a disservice to the nation."

    "Our family will never be satisfied. We'll never have Pat back," she said. "Something really awful happened. It's your job to find out what happened to him. That's really important."

    Last month the military concluded in a pair of reports that nine high-ranking Army officers, including four generals, made critical errors in reporting Tillman's death but that there was no criminal wrongdoing in his shooting.

    Tillman's death received worldwide attention because he had walked away from a huge contract with the NFL's Arizona Cardinals to enlist in the Army after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

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  2. Ottomaton

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    oops... forgot the source.
     
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    That's pretty sad.

    But just a side note: Little Jessica Lynch sure has grown up.


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  4. Lobo

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    As sad as the Tillman affair may be, is it really such a scandal that it deserves the time, effort, and public dollars that Waxman and company are lavishing on these hearings?

    And I feel for the family, but isn't it time for them to move on from the tragedy? There are still men and women serving and dying in Afghanistan and Iraq - why do the Tillmans deserve such a spotlight?
     
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    its not about the tillmans or his death.. its about lies and manipulation of truth regarding someones death for political purposes
     
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    Blah blah they should get over it.

    Blah blah blah, this kind of thing happens, what's the big deal?


    What other phrases am I forgetting that have been used to disparage this family's search for the truth?
     
  8. mc mark

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    George W. Bush's administration laid bare.

    A Soldier was told to lie about the death of a comrade.

    LIE!?!

    Nothing more needs to be said about who is being disingenuous about trying to stop this war. Democrats have not lost this war by trying to stop it. This war was lost with the lie that started it.
     
  9. Lobo

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    Everyone's known for a long time that Pat Tillman died from friendly fire, what's the big mystery?

    To say that a Lt. Colonel on the ground asking a soldier not to go into the details of Pat Tillman's death with his brother means that that the White House was involved in a "cover-up" seems to be a pretty big stretch.

    Um, I think Pat Tillman died in Afghanistan - as far as I know, nobody has accused the Democrats of trying to stop that war. What IS obvious is that the Democrats seem hell-bent on making political points out of the whole Tillman affair. Wouldn't that effort and time be better spent on debating more important issues?
     
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    Friendly fire or enemy fire: Pat Tillman died a hero.
     
  11. vlaurelio

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    i don't think no ones disagreeing that he's a hero

    but would you lie to a hero's family about a hero's death?
     
  12. vlaurelio

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    everyone know monica bj'd clinton, what's the big mystery?

    so what does it mean? what was the motivation behind it?
     
  13. Lobo

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    You're right, Clinton should have done the country a big favor and just stepped down.

    We're talking about one of the on-scene commanders here right? Maybe he didn't want to upset Kevin Tillman? Maybe it was an emotional decision? Who knows? Either way what does it have to do with the White House or politics?
     
  14. vlaurelio

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    are you saying wh didn't know the truth as well?
     
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    I'm not trying to say this incident should be politicized, but if Clinton were in office, Karl Rove would have the American public that Clinton had been visiting the troops in Afghanistan and had been playing around with an M-16 and had shot Tillman and had made everyone cover it up and.....

    ....and this would keep going and going and going....

    This administration needs to start owning up to its mistakes.
     
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    I'm saying that everyone knows the truth now - and they have for three years. So why do the Democrats and the Tillmans keep talking about it, except to drive their own anti-war agenda?
     
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    No, the extent of the cover-up is still not fully clear. Do you know who all was involved in it? And then beyond that, the punishment and whether any federal laws were violated is also still needing to be investigated.
     
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    They're not christians or christian enough!!!! Don't forget, if you can't use the flag use the bible.

    "His parents continue to ask for it to be looked at," Kauzlarich said. "And that is really their prerogative. And if they have the right backing, the right powerful people in our government to continue to let it happen, then that is the case.

    "But there [have] been numerous unfortunate cases of fratricide, and the parents have basically said, 'OK, it was an unfortunate accident.' And they let it go. So this is — I don't know, these people have a hard time letting it go. It may be because of their religious beliefs."

    In a transcript of his interview with Brig. Gen. Gary Jones during a November 2004 investigation, Kauzlarich said he'd learned Kevin Tillman, Pat's brother and fellow Army Ranger who was a part of the battle the night Pat Tillman died, objected to the presence of a chaplain and the saying of prayers during a repatriation ceremony in Germany before his brother's body was returned to the United States.

    Kauzlarich, now a battalion commanding officer at Fort Riley in Kansas, further suggested the Tillman family's unhappiness with the findings of past investigations might be because of the absence of a Christian faith in their lives.

    In an interview with ESPN.com, Kauzlarich said: "When you die, I mean, there is supposedly a better life, right? Well, if you are an atheist and you don't believe in anything, if you die, what is there to go to? Nothing. You are worm dirt. So for their son to die for nothing, and now he is no more — that is pretty hard to get your head around that. So I don't know how an atheist thinks. I can only imagine that that would be pretty tough."

    Asked by ESPN.com whether the Tillmans' religious beliefs are a factor in the ongoing investigation, Kauzlarich said, "I think so. There is not a whole lot of trust in the system or faith in the system [by the Tillmans]. So that is my personal opinion, knowing what I know."

    Asked what might finally placate the family, Kauzlarich said, "You know what? I don't think anything will make them happy, quite honestly. I don't know. Maybe they want to see somebody's head on a platter. But will that really make them happy? No, because they can't bring their son back."

    Kauzlarich, now 40, was the Ranger regiment executive officer in Afghanistan, who played a role in writing the recommendation for Tillman's posthumous Silver Star. And finally, with his fingerprints already all over many of the hot-button issues, including the question of who ordered the platoon to be split as it dragged a disabled Humvee through the mountains, Kauzlarich conducted the first official Army investigation into Tillman's death.

    This is only part of the whole article.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=tillmanpart1
     
  19. Lobo

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    What cover-up? The official Army report, which came out several weeks after his death, indicated that he died from friendly fire. If this were any other soldier, the story would have been dead long ago - it only has life because of political opportunism.
     
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    Reason 234,928 why I'm not a Christain.
     

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