Well this comment speaks volumes of what the Golden State Warriors have gotten themselves into: <b>"I'm very unhappy," said Jackson, who played in 48 games last season. "It's a great group of guys in Golden State and they're cool people, but I don't want to be there. They (management) don't want me, either, no matter what they say. It would have been great to be a Houston Rocket."</b> Same old Golden State Warriors. Even their FANS didn't expect him back! In fact somebody gave a link to a Golden State Warriors board where they were excited about the development of Troy Murphy and were ripping Jackson's attitude, toughness (alleging he sat out games when he could have played last year), and his work ethic and defensive skills, and the Warriors locked him up for 6 years, and can't trade him until 90 days from now, in January. How are they going to spin this? And I wonder what those fans think of this. Either way, I'm hoping the Rockets had a back-up plan/
I don't like what happened, but sadly I have to agree with a lot of the Warrior fans on this thread. (I can't believe this!) What I don't agree with is how GS and Jackson have handled the situation. GS wouldn't even talk to Jackson until they had an offer sheet in their hands. Then they wait the full time before deciding to match (sucks for Rocket fans, but GS used the time to look at possible trades, and probably have a trade set for later in the season, maybe to New York, but it will be kept hush hush until Jackson is eligible for trade), which brings up my next point. They probably don't want him, but would rather have him for a few months and trade him for a guard, then have nothing at all for him. I just hope the Rockets find something good to do with their exception. Pops was dead right about this. B
Oh come on, people. Golden State did what any team with decent management would do. Players are assets -- you don't give them away for free if you can avoid it. They now have a player who's signed to a great contract at a position where they have excellent depth. That means they can now makes trades from a position of strength, especially given the lack of talented centers around the league right now. This is a no-brainer for them. <B>Golden State's management has one job only: to improve their team and this move did that</b>. Their job is not to worry about whether the Rockets are happy with the move. Their job is to decide whether that player was worth that contract to them. If he is, you match the offer. If he's not, you don't -- simple as that. Talent can always be traded, chemistry can always be dealt with. If you don't like restricted free agency, fine -- but that's not Golden State's fault. That's the system the owners AND players agreed to.
How exactly is signing Marc Jackson, when you're already overflowing with big men you are trying to trade, to a 6 year deal IMPROVING the team!? The Warriors can't trade Dampier, they can't trade Fortson with worries of his foot, they're not going to be able to play Murphy even though they're impressed with him, and Blount has to get minutes. Meanwhile they have to find minutes for a guy who didn't want to be there, and who management has criticized for the next 6 years. And if they want to trade him in 90s days (in January), they have to give him playing time, and with a 6 year 24 million dollar deal they have to prove he's a starter. So do you start him over Dampier, who you are also trying to deal? There is no way that Golden State is going to play him off the bench and get someone interested in taking his 6 year deal! Especially with the luxury tax coming, so how did this improve them or help them!? All it did was make their cap worse, and loaded up an area where they are already overloaded at while also trying to make happy a guy who said he didn't want to be there. Great job.
Where are all the posters who were screaming about the 6 year / $24M deal? I thought there was alot of opposition to tying up this much money between Jackson and Cato for a very long time. It's basically a business decision by the GSW managment. No big deal. Hey, Ike Nwankwo is not a bad 3rd stringer from what I've seen so far.
Well said Shanna. Hopefully we will find someone else to use the medical exception on, but I wouldn't be surprised if Nwankwo makes the roster if we don't sign anyone else. B
While it is crystal clear to the entire world what a lousy organization the Warriors are, I am not upset about not getting MJ simply because of the contract we offered him. I think Mason or another player can fill the void for less money over a shorter time period.
Why Jackson works for Golden State. I don't know if the Warriors will trade Jackson, I think they might trade Foyle instead. Here is the deal, Jamison needs room down low to operate. With Dampier and Fortson in the paint, Jamison has no room to move. Jamison's strength is his quick leaping ability, to get rebounds and putbacks. With Jackson at the 5 and Fortson at the 4, Jamison has more room. So I think Cowens and St. Jean will try to mend fences with Jackson, who is concerned with 1) Respect, the Warriors scuffed his pumas apparently and 2) Playing time If the Warriors move Foyle, or Dampier (yeah right) then Jackson gets PT, especially when the Warriors run. Regardless the Warriors get 90 days to see if they can work it out, and to see how well Murphy, who's game is similar to JAckson, but Murphy is more athletic, works out. Aside from Jackson's whining, which isn't doing anyone any good, I think this move could work out for the Warriors. Of course that doesn't help you guys any.
Of all the overwrought, emotions-driving-out-logic claims in this thread ... this one takes the cake.
I just got this quote from espn.com that Jackson said: I don't see anything funny in that With the exception of the Draft, this offseason has been very, very horrible!
psyence, So, you give us the "Nazi" label because one guy over-reacts to a Warrior fan posting on a Rocket board? Hmmm.... good ASSumption. -------------------- warriorworld, That all makes sense, except for one little detail.... he has to agree to any trade, and he's said he's not in a "giving" mood towards G.S.
<b>Of all the overwrought, emotions-driving-out-logic claims in this thread ... this one takes the cake. </b> Hey he's the one sucking your money while riding the pine! By the way, you can't trade Jackson without his consent. So if you planned on using him as a "bargaining" chip you were dead wrong ( http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23451 ) so you better learn to live with him. And if you think he's going to change his decision anytime soon forget about it. Obviously playing time isn't an issue with him because he just wanted to get the hell out of there. So you better enjoy this for the next 6 years because I doubt that a team will jump up and trade for him a year from now. So much for the bargaining chip!
<B>That all makes sense, except for one little detail.... he has to agree to any trade, and he's said he's not in a "giving" mood towards G.S.</B> So, when it comes down to actually making a decision, you think Jackson will stay (for up to 6 years) in an organization he hates just to piss off the ownership? You don't think he'd actually consider making himself happy and going to another team that wants him?
What makes you think he wants to go to New York? Besides, whats to say anybody is willing to pick up that 6 year multi-million dollar contract? If the Warriors can't move Dampier what makes people think they can move Marc Jackson? Teams are overly conscious of the luxury tax. Teams aren't willing to pay Mason 2 or even 3 million dollars per year over 1 or 2 years but they'll pay Marc Jackson 4 million dollars per year over 6 years!? There's a reason why Golden State has been unsuccessful in trading Fortson, Foyle, and Dampier, and the Bucks with Scott Williams, and Mason hasn't found a job. Teams are worried about the luxury tax. Why would teams suddenly start jumping at Jackson and his long term contract?
Winning is a cure. If the Warriors are winning and Jackson is playing, he'll probably calm down. Or maybe he will when he gets his first paycheck off that contract I'm upset the Warriors matched, but I don't blame them for it... hell, they did what was best for their team. If Jackson can duplicate last year's performance or come close to it, they'll have no problems trading that contract. I do think they could have handled this situation a lot better .... even matching the offer earlier on would have started the 90-day process for them to be able to trade him sooner. They wouldn't give Jackson the time of day before he signed his offer sheet. I don't understand what the point of waiting was.... Warriors have a nice team going... I think Richardson will be the key. If he's the real deal, they could be a strong team in a year or two. How Hughes and Richardson co-exist in the backcourt is a big question.... Anyhow, back to the Rockets....
It's never a favor when you have to play for GS. So to say Jackson OWES GS anything is like saying Nicole Brown's family owes OJ Simpson.
I'll bet that the Rockets will be monitoring any trades that are presented to Jackson for his approval by GS, after the 90 day waiting period, to see if there is any sign of GS illegally discussing trade scenarios involving Jackson during the 15 day waiting period. Like many other posters, I'm really bummed out by this turn of events, but I realize that it was a business decision. The problem that GS faces, is that now that they have him under contract, unless they already have an agreement worked out with another team (highly illegal), they risk being jerked around with trade scenarios. Why would a team give GS any expiring contracts or quality players, when they know that GS is being forced to move him, because of bad blood between him & management? Well, it was exciting for a while. I doubt that we'll get Mason, because as soon as we offer him the DPE, Milwaukee will counter it with their $4.5 mill exception. So, that leaves us in a position to pursue an existing player on another team. Would it be possible to trade with Washington for Jahidi, or are there any other players that could be had for the DPE? Since Milwaukee wants Mason, would we want to offer the DPE plus whatever for Scott Williams expiring contract? How about Othella from the Knicks? Any ideas?
