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Rafer Alston is one the best PG's

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by buzz1701, Apr 13, 2007.

  1. armyman789

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    i can give you three. Shane,Bonzi, Luther.
     
  2. Carl Herrera

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    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tyronn_lue/index.html

    It isn't.

    But that doesn't stand in the way of the larger point.


    Some people hate Rafer no matter what.
     
  3. Rock_Johnson

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    tell me how did you get this conclusion?
    what contribution has been made by Bonzi, the poor man?
    i agree Shane is more expensive and impressive. he is a role player. but when our opponent double teams Yao and Tmac, the man often standing out is Rafer Alston instead of Shane Battier.
    ok, for luther, he performs well at the 3pt line, but don't you think that he just did part of Rafer's job? Rafer also can assist more.
     
  4. 2rings

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    And in the required role the team asks him to play - i.e., a defensive, rebounding oriented backup big - Deke; you could also make a reasonable argument that Juwan is about as good at his position as Rafer is at his; ughhhhh that makes me so sad to say it, but it's true
     
  5. WhoMikeJames

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    Last night they showed that Rafer has like 182 threes this season (most in Rockets history). Anyone else find this kind of amazing? He takes so many threes but all the missed ones stand out more than the made.
     
  6. WhoMikeJames

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    Not an all-star. Just a more consistent PG with the ability to finish and drive. Rafer's shooting is okay, but he takes too many 3's and doesn't drive enough.
     
  7. Carl Herrera

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    It's the other way around. Rafer taking 3s is a good thing, Rafer driving is often bad news.


    In any case, the team plays damn well with Rafer: 108 point per 100 possession scored, 100 points per 100 possession given up. They are signficacntly more mediocre without him.

    http://www.82games.com/0607/06HOU2D.HTM
     
  8. 2rings

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    Count me as one of those "idiots" that would take Dream over Magic. Dream could just take over a game more in more ways than Magic and was a FAR superior scorer. Kind of like asking do you prefer diamonds or platinum!
     
  9. SamFisher

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    Rafer has launched an astounding 520 three's this season, second in the NBA to Gilbert Arenas. Think of how deadly the Rockets would be if he could hit closer to 40%. If the Rockets had a guy like Jason Terry or the 2006 Mike James - I think you could start engraving the rings.
     
  10. armyman789

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    he does hit close to 40%.... 37-38% last time i checked.
    Trust me Deke is not better than Rafer. We can still be an elite team without Deke's 12 minutes. We might not be in the situation that we are right now without him but no one is expecting Yao to go out again so his 10 minutes are not taht important anymore, especially in the playoffs where everyone plays more minutes.
    Luther Head is better than Rafer, he is our "6th starter" like Phoenix and Barbosa. He might not be as important since we only have one "true PG" but as an individual player im sure GM's across the league would take Head. Shane is OBVIOUSLY better than Rafer. We would not be where we are if it wasn't for shane holding this team together. He even rubs off on all the other players due to us having a ****laod more charges than last year. Wasn't David Wesley our leading charge-taker last year? Now you see Chuck, Shane, and even Juwan taking charges(i admit Juwan flops but its okay he still gets the calls :) ) Bonzi the only reason i said him was because im not including roles on this team or value im just saying individual talent.
     
  11. Zboy

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    Exactly!!!!

    It's not about how many you make in a season. Its about being consistent and doing it at a high %.

    Rafer will make about 4-5 in one game and then hardly make any for next few games. I guess you could live with that if it were a 1 game and out in playoffs. But would you want to go against elite teams in a seven game playoff series with that kind of inconsistency?

    I wouldnt be surpised if Rafer 3 % goes down in playoffs. He will be scouted and teams will force him to shoot that God-awful low % floater of his...

    Ask yourself this honestly...

    In a best of 7 playoff series, how many games do you see Rafer making a good number of 3 pointers he is given? Mind you, that 3 point line is guarded even better in playoffs. If you doubt me, ask Shane Battier.
     
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  12. SamFisher

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    .365 is a lot closer to the median than it is to 40%, which is the benchmark for a good outside shooter. Given rafer's tremendous volume shooting, an extra .035 would make a huge difference and probably result in a few more W's, over the course of a season.
     
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    is it really .365??? i thought it was much higher especially after his hot streak of games recentlly.
     
  14. Zboy

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    FACT:

    Rafer 06-07 3FG % - 36.5
    Rafer Career 3 FG % - 35.8

    Rafer PLAYOFF 3 FG% - 22.6 !!!!!!
     
  15. Carl Herrera

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    .365 vs. .370 is a half a percent difference... that means 1 more miss every 200 attempts. We are talking about a irrelevant difference here.

    As for inconsistency... as Van Gundy said on the radio, there is no such thing as a consistent 3 pt shooter. Shooting is a probablistic event, and sometimes you just have a streak of great luck and sometime a streak of bad luck. It happens. But whether it's Rafer or Battier, when you have the streak of bad luck with the shots, you still have to keep on shooting.
     
  16. BackNthDay

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    I agee, we've had some BFI (garbage) pg's in our day. FYI, there have only been a couple of teams with no holes on their starting five. The Fakers and Feltic's back in the day.

    As far as Rafer, I wish he would stop shooting the 3 and try driving or shooting a closer 2 (Sam Cassell is the best). Forget the driving, just shoot the pull up 2 or draw a defender and dish to Chuck or Yao. I would rate him behind, Sam, Kenny, and Steve. Sam and Kenny have rings, enough said. Don't forget Kenny's 6 3's against Orlando in game one of the sweep.
     
  17. Zboy

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    Are you willing to live with this?

    Rafer 2 PT FG % - 37.7%
    Rafer 2 PT FG% Career - 38.5%

    Rafer PLAYOFF FG % - 30.5 % !!!!!!!
     
  18. JEREMYMEEGAN

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    man one minute ur like trade rafer and the next ur like hes the best PG..hes a solid PG. He had a good game but hes still a solid PG but hes not the best.
     
  19. Nice Rollin

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    i'm like. stop like talking like that
     
  20. Yetti

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    I just hope that Alston's last game is an indicator that he is rounding into top form! Mondays game against the Suns will provide a clearer picture. I just hope that Nashes ability doesn't overwhelme him like last time. Go Rafer!!!!!
     

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