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(SI) Available Coaches Next Year

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by EGYPT, Apr 6, 2007.

  1. X-PAC

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    Barring a first round meltdown this list isn't applicable to the Rockets.
     
  2. Jebus

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    I agree with everything here. Hopefully the team will answer the bell in the playoffs.
     
  3. blazer_ben

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    Motion offense would suit yao and he's offensive skill set perfectly. he's offense would allow to be alot more creative on offense. tracy would also would benefit with having more freedom on offense. . having said that, i'm more then happy with gundy. as long as the wins come rolling in, i'm happy. it's not how you win, but how many you win
     
  4. DonkeyMagic

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    i think tmac already has all offensive freedom
     
  5. wolfsheep

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    Why can we only think of those former NBA head coaches? Some people, like A. Johnson and M. D'Antoni, just work great. Maybe we could find someone instead of sticking to old guys.
     
  6. blazer_ben

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    No he dosent.... the half court stagnant pound it into yao offense dosent suit mcGrady whatsoever. look at he's numbers w/wo yao. with the halfcourt offense, he is nothing short of being renderd a jumpshooter. he has no freedom to drive on offense with yao in there. aldelman is smart enough to make yao more creative by bringing him out on to the elbow and use he's skill set better by creating the motion offense. yao can be a great passer and be very creative.that would also free up tracy to attack the rim more.
     
  7. RiceDaddy7

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    Mario Elie would make a great coach.
     
  8. blazer_ben

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    Elie would be like the Fave son returning. despite he's lapse in judgement by joining the spurs. :D
     
  9. deshen

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    Even JVG earned the COY, that doesn't mean how good he is. For me, it means he had a very bad record last season.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    This is an intersting topic, the COY etc bit.....

    Personally, I think Avery will get it, he has done a magnificent job up in Dallas.

    Mike D, and Pop would also be ahead of JVG in my book as doing a great job too.

    JVG would be top 5ish.

    I just wonder how much it is about the coach, and how much about the players?

    DD
     
  11. edc

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    This lie has finally been put to rest. On one of those featurettes at halftime, the marketing folks took credit for the "Red Rowdies." They specifically said that it grew out of the marketing efforts from last season, and that they "went to the coach with it, and he loved the idea."

    Mr. Van Gundy was involved, put some money into it, but (as I've said all along), it was NOT his idea, and he did not "form the Red Rowdies."
     
  12. brantonli24

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    There are some people who complain that JVG offense is horrible and talk about motion offense, and I just read about it on the internet, and it will absolutely kill Yao Ming. Yao isn't the mobile type of player, and the motion offense emphasizes on spacing for players to move about on the court. But after the shot is put up, what about the rebounds? That's probably the only reason why Chuck Hayes would be on the floor, and if we neutralise his talent, why bother having him on the court anyway?

    By the way, DD, what if the Rockets lose to the Jazz, 4-3, and each of the four losses came down to the wire and the players made boneheaded plays down the stretch. What will you think of JVG?
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Wow - that is a very tough call. I mean we can't just ignore the fact that this is the roster that JVG has assembled (with CD), and these are the players he is playing because HE thinks it gives him the best chance to win.

    I honestly would struggle to answer this question.

    I expect the Rockets to improve but if this team which is arguably WAY better than the one that lost to Dallas 2 years ago can't beat a weaker than (Dallas of 2 years ago) Utah team, to me that does not show improvement.

    While our main competition has gotten better, the Rockets would have stagnated..IMHO.

    I think the Rockets would probably have to make a change, that perhaps the way that JVG is going about it is just not good enough in the new perimeter dominated NBA.

    Ok so I guess I have worked it out, if they are all hard fought games but ultimatly they fall short, I think he still has to go....but in a situation like that, it would be closer to 50/50...

    To me it would prove that his style of ball can not work in the playoffs in today's NBA.

    DD
     
  14. DonkeyMagic

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    im curious why avery? they were more than likely the best team last year and they bring back the same group. No significant injuries. young players that have naturally progressed. does dallas really beat you with great gameplans? seems like they just do it with great players.

    lets say that the rockets had never lost yao and it put the rockets at around 55-58 wins (which is more than reasonable)...would you rank jvg higher on that list? (i know you wont but i had to ask).



    about the motion offense, i dont buy it either. as good as yao is, he also limits what you can do.
     
  15. DonkeyMagic

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    JVG didnt prepare his players...obviously. Or, jvg negative attitude distracted the players..something like that
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Avery has done a good job of getting Dallas to play defense and to be unselfish, while still doing a very good job on offense as well.

    In addition he has developed players like Devon Harris and gotten the most out of not so good players like Dampier etc...

    Dallas is the best, but they have been the most focused team this year, and a lot of that can be attributed to the coach.....

    For instance, the Rockets have tendencies to just go through the motions a lot of games, and sometimes it bites them in the booty.....while Dallas does that as well, it seems that Avery calls an early timeout and gets them going.

    IMHO, Avery has made the Mavs take the leap from good to great...

    That is why he would be my coach of the year.

    DD
     
  17. DonkeyMagic

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    dallas has been an unselfish team for a long time. Yes their defense is improved but its still not as good as it really should be when you consider their individual talent...plus, i think almost anyone can coach a nelson team and make the defense look much better.

    also, is that focus a product of them choking in the finals and them wanting to prove something?

    no doubt , avery is a good coach but you have to admit he fell into a sweet deal with a dam good team.


    the most focused...thats hard to measure. A team can be focused but still go through cold stretches (like the rockets). the difference is dallas is loaded with guys who can score which can tend to help when plays are busted. the rockets have 2

    also harris is a good player (or will be) but his role is extremely limited.

    just curious...you would agree that dallas has a lot more talent the rockets...right?
     
  18. rock8ts

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    if any team makes a coaching change for the sole reason that they got beaten by the Mavs or Suns this season, that's cheap.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    Agreed, but wouldn't you think the similar failure by the Rocks against the Mavs in '05 would have inspired them the same way? IMHO, It just hasn't happened.

    No doubt about that, but JVG does get to coach 2 of the top 10 players in the league, and that ain't a bad deal either.

    :D

     
  20. Rockets64

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    I'd like to hire one of those guys to be an assistant coach next year. Why not Stan Van Gundy? He did coach an offense run by two superstars, so there are slight similarities.

    Nepotism rocks.
     

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