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New York Times article: this is a relgious war

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by insideout, Oct 9, 2001.

  1. insideout

    insideout Contributing Member

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/07/magazine/07RELIGION.html?ex=1003652916&ei=1&en=c54c30d5008eb8b3

    i think this is an interesting articles with a well thought out approach. albeit somewhat "holier-than-thou".. but it's a nice break away from all the CNN soap opera episodes we are seeing..

    [caution: long article]

    The terrorists' strain of Islam is clearly not shared by most Muslims and is deeply unrepresentative of Islam's glorious, civilized and peaceful past. But it surely represents a part of Islam -- a radical, fundamentalist part -- that simply cannot be ignored or denied.

    In that sense, this surely is a religious war -- but not of Islam versus Christianity and Judaism. Rather, it is a war of fundamentalism against faiths of all kinds that are at peace with freedom and modernity. This war even has far gentler echoes in America's own religious conflicts -- between newer, more virulent strands of Christian fundamentalism and mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism. These conflicts have ancient roots, but they seem to be gaining new force as modernity spreads and deepens. They are our new wars of religion -- and their victims are in all likelihood going to mount with each passing year.
     
  2. RocksMillenium

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    These journalist just don't get it. This IS NOT a Holy War, or a religious war. This is a war against terrorist who are murdering people. These are people trying to arrest international murderers! Why can't these people get it through there heads that this has NOTHING to do with religion other then the fact that bin Laden thinks he's doing god's will?
     
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    Personally, I find this article insightful.
     
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    The article isn't bad, but to label what is going on a religious war doesn't make sense. Religion had nothing to do with killing thousands of people. It's just some guy with an axe to grind against the United States.
     
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    Yet those who attacked the US apparently view this as a religious war.
     
  6. insideout

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    Yet those who attacked the US apparently view this as a religious war.

    I think this is one of the main point of the articles. Should it matter that relgion is a nice backdrop or that it is a convenient cause for the Sept. 11 attacks.. the fact is that religion is being used necessiates that we treat religion as an issue.. and in my view I think a central issue, in this "war."

    Historically, Christianity has committed countless acts of atrocity in the name of "religion", but empirically, most states with the majority of the population being "Christian" has moved beyond wholesale fundamentalism. Pockets still remain in Northern Ireland, the overlooked racial groups of Europe and the US, and etc.

    Conversely, whether it be the result of economic disparity or societal inferiority complexes, many "Islamic" states have an active and increasingly dangerous element of fundamentalism. "Jihad" is a notion more expressively and directly alluded to within Islam than most religion. It is a concrete tenet.. and while most Muslims view it as a self-improvement "struggle".. the fact is that the idea of "physical struggle" is there for twisted masterminds like Osama bin Laden to use. Are we to ignore that a part of this "war" arise from some twisted perversion of Islam? So yes, religion is part of the issue here at hand.

    GO AUSMUS! 2-2.
     
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    That's the point, it isn't really religion. This guy has been bombing embassies for years, and even the WTC in the early 90s. He attacked the U.S. because he had a beef with them since the 80s. He is only using the religion as a way to rally people, and it really isn't working. He's brainwashing people. But just because Osama bin Laden might be doing this because of religion doesn't make this a religious war. It's the U.S. cleaning out terrorist plain and simple. It doesn't matter what religion he worshipped, he flew planes into a building, that's a crime no matter what religion you worship.
     

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