BOKI gets career night, 1 game after National TNT game

I just flicked the game on and I've seen him miss 3 shots, commit a turnover, and have two rebounds get taken from him. He might be scaring Lawrence Frank to death.

 

If you wouldnt mind, I cant find it anywhere on the internet, It seems like it has been deleted by everyone.

 

Boki rocks.

We need to get this kid back in Houston.

 

92% of his jumpshots are assisted along with 88% of his inside shots. That's an inordinate percentage. Something tells me that his teammates have a lot more to do with Boki's recent surge than some think. I mean, even someone like Chuck Hayes is assisted on something like 70% of his shots.

 

Well yes, but that is the definition of a catch and shoot player......

 

That's not just for his jumpshots. 88% of his inside shots are assisted as well. And to be in the 90's.... Head is assisted on 70% of his jumpshots and Battier gets 85% of his off passes, but the latter makes up for it by only being assisted on 37% of his inside shots.

 

I dont know how you interpret these numbers. This can indicate Boki's strength - Boki can finish around 90% if his teammates find him open. That's amazing!!! But if you try to translate this as negative - you can say Boki doesnt create his own shoots, etc.

As for Chuck Hayes, I dont see him create his own shoot. He is just a bad finisher. Even wide open layup, Chuck will miss and he can rarely dunk. There is no player should finish better than Chuck "Nobody's guarding me" Hayes.

 

That's not the correct interpretation of the numbers.

 

It depends on what he is being asked to do and how the assists are being recorded, and what his role is once the ball gets to his hands.

Boki is a player, has found a good niche and is only getting better as he gains in confidence.

I think we can let this thread die a nice death now.....

DD

 

Why are you responding to me and what are you even saying?? doublebogey made the statement that the number means he finished 92% of the time off the pass -- it does not mean that, and that's not in question. He is finishing overall at a very nice 63% on "inside" shots. Nothing wrong with that.

http://www.82games.com/0607/06NJN9A.HTM

The 92% means 92% of his jumpers came off a pass and resulted in an assist for someone else. The 88% means 88% of his "inside" shots were as part of an assist from someone else. This doesn't "depend" on anything other than the accuracy of 82games.com. Assists are recorded generally the same way for every player -- when you're comparing him to Head, Hayes, et. al, it doesn't depend on that.

This is contrary to the idea that he creates many of his own shots off the dribble -- the only caveat to this would be this doesn't take into account his drives which result in fouls and free throws. As E Wizzle pointed out, this is extraordinarily high, especially considering a guy as limited as Hayes is considerably lower. One caveat I'd add in comparing to Hayes in this case is that a higher than usual proportion of Hayes points come off offensive rebounds, which won't be assisted (think, if he makes 3 buckets a game, 2 off passes and 1 off a putback, his percentage would be 67%).

This isn't to say there's something bad about this -- clearly, to be able to get open for passes that result in layups/dunks is a good thing, especially on a team with Kidd and Carter. It's more to negate the idea that Boki is beating people off iso's left and right.

 

Firstly, You're right. I know that's how these numbers mean. But I just twisted them a little to make an argument because I think it's hilarious to say Chuck Hayes is less relied on his teammates on his points than Boki. But still, you are in no position to prove me wrong simply because u dont have the number of Boki's missed shoots on any supposed assists.

Secondly, When u interpret number, you need to look at how their team play - in this case the Nets. The Nets' offense is originated from J Kidd and VC and minorly from RJ. The other players are put into the position to finish. That's why Boki and even Eddie House have a high % of assisted FGM.

Thirdly, the way u guys interpret number is hilarious. I can easily give u a counter example: Shawn Marion of the Suns: Marion's FGM has a high assisted FGM ratio too - Jump/Close/Dunk/Tips/Inside are 74%/78%/88%/0%/81% respectively. So, are you telling me Shawn Marion is more rely on his teammates to make a FG than Chuck Hayes? No Kidding!!!???

I think the correct way to look at high assisted FGM is who's a better finisher. And obviously, Shawn Marion is an excellent finisher and Chuck Hayes is a bad finisher.

 

Looks like our scouts were right about Nachbar: He's a good outside shooter and a good finisher, they were just 5 years too early on Boki.

http://netsdaily.com/blog/?p=324

Too bad he came over too early, benchwarming under Rudy and JVG probably slowed his development quite a bit.

 

So basically, you knowingly misread the numbers? Cool.

If you read my post, you would see I came up for a possible explanation for why Chuck Hayes has a lower % of assisted FGs - he doesn't make many FGs to begin with, and he probably scores a decent percentage of what he does get from offensive putbacks.

It's not hard to make a fairly reasonable estimate of Boki's FG% on assisted shots -- 82games puts an eFG% right next to the number. Given that ~90% of his shots were assisted, that eFG% is going to be a pretty reasonable estimate for what Boki's percentage is on finishing. off my head, it was around 63%, which is good for a wing (and better than Hayes). The only way that 63% becomes anywhere close to the 92% you posted is if Boki is just flat out terrible on inside shots he takes that would be unassisted -- we're talking well below Alstonian levels.

If you want to come up with plausible reasoning behind the numbers, that's cool and may lead to a good discussion. But posting things that are flat out wrong (allegedly on purpose, at that) is the type of thing that ruins great message boards.

That's great. No one is saying otherwise. But this is why you need to look at the fact it is the Nets, that Boki is about the 7th man on a team struggling to make the playoffs in the East with 2 all-stars, and adjust any statements about his performance accordingly.

Many would argue that Marion is very much in fact a product of Steve Nash and the Suns offense. Again, as I mentioned in my post, the "assisted" nature doesn't take into account whether the said player juked his way open (Marion), or was open because no one was guarding him by design (Hayes).

That's what the eFG% is for (inside shots by definition are not 3 pointers, so eFG%=FG%). Being assisted or not doesn't even need to come into play.

There's plenty of things to discuss and debate as to why the numbers came out the way they are. Falsifying them because you don't like what they imply is counterproductive and juvenile.

 

Don't look now but Nachbar has moved up to #1 on NBA.com's Race to the MVP rankings as of this morning.

 

Actually he's in a slump right now so the excuses are piling up again.

8 pts, 3 rebounds on decent shooting is where he will finish the season

OK, better than I thought, and certainly made some of myh predictions look bad.

However, I'd say after 5 years and being the 15th pick in the draft, to only be a bench contributor on a mediocre team - that's underachieving.

 

who else remembers Gerald Wallace crushing boki in a preseason game?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N7o5k3qX04

 

Boki = 27 inch plasma EDTV by gateway

 

The five players taken at number 15 in the draft prior to Boki and their 5th year averages.

Kelvin Cato 6.6pt 7.0 rbs Cato's stats
Matt Harpring 17.6 pts 6.6 rbs His best year
Frederic Weis Never played in the NBA
Jason Collier 5.7ppg and 2.6rbs May he rest in peace
Steven Hunter 6.1ppg 3.9 rbs Steven Hunter's stats

So, I would say Boki is above average as far as expectations for a number 15 pick in the draft.

I am sorry Sam, you are going to have to speak a little louder as your underwear and pants are muffling your lips again.

DD