UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. I. LEWIS LIBBY, also known as "SCOOTER LIBBY"

Probably because that blog entry you linked us to is incoherent.

 

Really basso. By pursuing this line of inquiry, your logical end point is that there is no crime in releasing classified information. Valerie Plame's status was classified information. It was released. This is a crime. Perhaps not a provable one in this instance (at least to Fitzgerald's standards), but one nonetheless. Here's a hint... start with the US Code. There you will find many entries about the release of classified information covering everyone from the Executive Branch agency heads to lowly archivists who get access to the info way after the fact. You can also check on some Executive Orders that spell out how classified data is to be handled.

I refuse to be your paralegal. I know you're smart enough to look this up on your own and I know that when I waste 20 minutes looking up multiple cites to the criminality of releasing classified information you will not even acknowledge it, but immediately repeat some other severely disproven tangent you think scores rhetorical points for your side.

In this thread you have been proven to be wrong about multiple facts including, amazingly, the notion that Lake Nassar is not a lake.

I think you could take the initiative and try to prove me wrong just once. Frankly, the opposite is quickly turning into a fish-in-the-barrel exercise.

 

Why do I even try?

Valerie Wilson's existence was not classified, nor was the fact that she was married to Joe Wilson classified. The fact that she was a NOC was classified. At no point does this guy say the Wilson's discussed Plame's NOC status with anyone.

Once again, the first mention of Plame's status from an administration official to a reporter was Scooter to Judith Miller. Not Armitage.

The guy makes a tremedous logical leap when he goes from "Wilson talked about his trip to Niger" to "Wilson must have talked about his wife's status because that's the impression Armitage left with Woodward."

In short, this scribbling is more crap from the authoritarians as they try to defend the indefensible.

 

You really should refrain from repeating this over and over again (as well as pointing out things like the Who's Who mention and such) - it just reinforces the fact that you really have no idea what is classified information and isn't. And if you don't know that, you really have no credibility in the whole discussion. Better to just hide that fact than repeat it over and over.

 

only if the truths contained therein are somehow inconvenient.

 

again, the challenge, and again the cop out. which statute waas vioulated by the outing of victoria flame, and by whom. it should be so simple, after all, it's occupied several branches of government for many years, and destroyed untold millions of al gore's greenhouse gas protecting trees...where's the...chloriform??

je..crois, que...ca...n'existe...pas.

 

hmmm, no the operative problem is that the "truths" contained therein don't support your point, if they are even truths at all. It's just a summary of news info by some random ass hat blogger.

BTW after much cajoling you told me that leaking the name of a covert officer to settle political scores was unaccpetable.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=2259292&highlight=political+scores#post2259292

It's beyond the shadow of a doubt that that's what happened here, numerous times, and was perpetrated by Libby, Rove, Armitage. Whether or not is is a crime, it is beyond dispute that this was their intention.

I guess it really is acceptable to you after all?

 

again, name the statute, and demonstrate how the cheney cabal conspired to "out" plame to "punish" joe munchausen...

 

I'm not talking about the statute. I"m talking about what YOU said was right and wrong. You said outing covert agents to settle political scores was wrong

Uh, it's a FACT. Read the freaking sworn testimony. The operative facts were found as a matter of law. That's why Scooter lied to investigators and is now going to be sentenced.

 

I'm amazed that after this, basso keeps posting in this thread. I don't know what the proper emotion is to feel when he keeps getting knocked down like that but keeps coming back for more on this one.

 

basso=hayes

 

nice to see how the goal posts have been moved, from "it is certain a crime was committed" as you, rim, mc mark, and FB have maintained for years, to "it's about right and wrong." i guess that's progress of a sort. and yes, i did say "outing covert agents to settle political scores was wrong", however, there's no evidence that that's what happened here. we know armitage was the leaker, and he's no friend of bush. further, it seems pretty obvious to anyone who cared to read the facts of the affair, the joe wilson outed his own wife to further his political carreer- a far bigger wrong in my book.

 

The really important point to note is that Valeria Plame is pretty freaking hot for a mid-40s woman. I mean in her early 20s she must have looked like a Bond girl.

 

yeah, i was having carnal thoughts of a bi-political nature about her and ann coulter...

 

You continue to ignore the established fact that the first reporter to hear about Plame was Miller and Libby is the one who told her. Are you seriously so deluded that you can ignore facts that have been proven in a court of law?

 

Moving the goalpost? Sorry basshole I was trying to find common ground and build consensus. You wouldn't agree it was a crime - fine, you would agree it was wrong (as did the president himself).

No, sorry but you are either ignorant or lying. Armitage did it, Libby did it, Rove did it, I can't recall if Fleischer did it or not but there is sworn testimony that all these guys did it. That is not disputed. By your standard, whoever did it first is immaterial.

Obviously since as a matter of law Libby lied about it to cover it up, it is something that they were not proud of. So, unless you are pitching the theory that it was all a big coincidence that they all simultaneously went blabbing to reporters about this rather than as a deliberate campaign to discredit Wilson - you are pretty much screwed and should really just stop talking.

yeah it is obvious to you and some asshat blogger that nobody gives a crap about. In the reality based community that is not what happened, at all, and you have provided no evidence of it

Gee, sworn testimony and jury findings, vs. basso making stuff up. Which one should we choose....

in sum:

1. basso says x is wrong.
2. Administration is legally found to have done x.
3. basso faints.

 

ann coulter looks like a dude and you are totally gay.

 

Now that we got Libby, let's get Sandy Burger.

 

That's fine. Oh, did you know that as soon as the revelations against Berger were known, he lost his security clearance?

Back in a week. Have fun.

 

Basso;

I'm still curious though. In your opinion if you are convinced that Plame wasn't covert and no damage was done then should Plame be charged with perjury since that would directly contradict her sworn testimony?

Is Valeria Plame deliberately being misleading in order to win a political point? Should that not be considered perjury when done under oath?