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Jeff Van Gundy is better then Phil Jackson

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by LakersPride, Mar 13, 2007.

  1. VicVictory

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    Let's see, he took a Spreewell led, 8th seeded Knicks team to the finals. Who else did they have? He brought us back to the Playoffs after a long drought and almost beat the "Hall of Fame" Lakers. He coached us to a near upset against a stacked Dallas Mavs with RYAN BOWEN in our starting lineup. He stands up for his players against Refs, I call him "100 Grand Jeff". His teams are always Top 5 in defense. He was a main reason why we won so many games without Yao. Replace him with another coach, we would have not won as many games as we did.

    So yeah, I don't blame outside fans for thinking JVG is a great coach.
     
  2. BrockStapper

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    perhaps he's being sarcasistic?
     
  3. McGradySNKT

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    There you have it folks, all summed up just like I said.
     
  4. Downtown

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    Not on offense and player rotation...! Jackson is a lot more innovative
     
  5. A_3PO

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    Seems like according to some (maybe you included), they are the only 4 coaches in the NBA capabable of winning a championship. And none of them will be coaching the Rockets any time soon. If you believe anything else you belong in space with RD. So, DD, what should the Rockets do after the season ends? Keep JVG or not? If not, who do we hire that will do better? Tell us.
     
  6. Blake

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    Phil is one of the greatest coaches of all time. Can't believe we are comparing him to anyone. Though, by the logic of a lot of posters here, he is a horrible coach b/c they lose games and he starts Smush Parker :rolleyes:


    I'm sure we will hear the name Rick Adelman...despite the fact that the man won jack $hit in Sacramento with arguably one of the most talented, deep lineups of the decade
     
  7. A_3PO

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    Have you been reading our own forum the last few months? Some of the stuff posted here gives me the impression both sets of fans are from the same demographic.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    The grass is always greener somewhere else. Some people here think Adelman is our answer. They have conveniently ignored his failures with those Kings teams.
     
  9. doublebogey

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    I think 99% JVG will get his extension. All you hear from the Rockets management are saying what a good job he does this year. Hey, in this league, even Isaiah Thomas gets his extension. So, what do you expect. Poor management is everywhere in NBA teams. But it just sad to see T-Mac & Yao get ride into sunset by JVG. For JVG: playoff - yes; championship - never.

    Yao should take a page from Shaq, ask for a new coach. As good as Del Harris, Shaq kicked him out and asked for Phil and Shaq got rewarded for 3 rings.
     
  10. doublebogey

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    I read often but seldom post. But I really feel a decline in the quality of post.
     
  11. SuperYanthrax

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    Yep, and by the logic of a lot of posters here, he wins his games because of Kobe, and all the losses are on him, not Kobe.
     
  12. wnes

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    Not only that, in the extremely unlikely event that JVG does win a championship with the current squad this year, if he doesn't perform in the following season, he should be fired outright, just like former Lakers coach Paul Westhead ousted by Magic Johnson in 1981.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    As I have stated many times before, if the Rockets get past the first round of the playoffs they should sign JVG to an extension.

    I personally don't like the man, but if they get by the Jazz, he deserves to keep his job.

    If however, they fall in the first round again, he should be gone and I would like to see Rick Adleman or Rudy T standing in line to replace him.

    DD
     
  14. rsx_htown

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    yeah because rick adelman always led his team to the finals
     
  15. Blake

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    Seriously, why Adelman? As I've stated before, he never won a thing with that deep, loaded Sacramento team. The guy has had extremely talented Sac. rosters, and never even made it to the finals. Why would you want him here?

    I understand you dislike JVG (though I totally disagree when you say he hasn't coached well this season), but you really think Adelman is the one for this job? He couldn't win with Vlade, Bibby, Webber, Peja and Bobby Jackson all in their primes...

    (though he did coach Chucky Brown one season...props for that)

    EDIT: Oh, and Adelman also only played Gerald Wallace 8, 12 and 9 minutes a game when he coached there during Wallace's first three seasons. How's that for developing talent??? :p
     
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    Tell me besides Tim Duncan, who had a better shot of beating Shaq in his prime? Give me a break. That Shaq would turn Yao into stew.

    I dont know about Adelman, but i'm shocked DD has lowered his standards. 6 years and assistant coach gets an extension for finally passing round one with all of the players he's had?
     
  17. Blake

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    Shaq was in his "prime" from 1993-2002. He won three titles in 10 seasons of being unstoppable. Obviously other teams could handle it. You would think that a team with Bibby, Peja, Vlade, Webber, Christie and Bobby Jackson (you could add Miller and Turkouglou (sp?) in as well) might actually make the finals.

    I think Adelman was a good coach, but not a great coach...and certainly, based on his recent accomplishments, he is no better than JVG, IMHO
     
  18. McGradySNKT

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    I don't claim assistant coach Gundy to be great, nor do I believe Adelman is, but I do believe Adelman would get more out of these players skills than Assistant coach ever will.

    This is by no means an Adelman endorsement, although he wasn't half bad with the Blazers :)

    I just don't believe in this coach as much as some of you do simply because his long tenure in HOU has produced absolutely nothing. The killer part is, he stays the same no matter what, no matter how detrimental, no matter if the team needs certain things or not.

    People point out players faults always, but here in HOU with some, its as if there is no reason to point out the coach's blaring weaknesses that you KNOW will get exposed in the playoffs, ultimately resulting in yet another disappointment.
     
  19. Blake

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    Really? I think that Juwan, Dikembe, Yao, TMac, Shane and Luther (when he doesn't play point) have played well. Chuck has been okay and Rafer has been pretty bad.

    Besides that, all we have are Novak, VSpan, JL3 and Snyder, with Snyder being the only one that hasn't played enough. Bonzi gets an INC

    I think we play well when we are healthy (and very well when Yao went down) and that Novak/VSpan/JL3 are not gonna make or break our chances. There are things about JVG that piss me off as well at times (not using Snyder much, especially against Phoenix), but then I look at the results with the roster we have and I realize he's done a great job
     
  20. Jerry36

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    I would pass on both. Rick Adleman is not a championship coach and Rudy is to old school and not able to adapt. What he did in the past is over. This league is about versatility and stand alone spot up shooters is not going to cut it.
     

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