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Vermont Votes to Impeach Bush/Cheney

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Mar 7, 2007.

  1. Space Ghost

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    If I have to choose a side, i lean towards republican/conservative. You're absolutely right. Either party is going to do whatever they can do to win. The problem is, nothing is getting accomplished. I want the democrats to give me a reason to vote for them. But when the question is asked, "what are you going to do for this country" and the response is to blame the current person in power for the problems, you're not going to get very many opposite party votes. Just as much as the democrats want change, so do the republicans. Quit tearing apart the republicans and telling us why we're wrong.
     
  2. CBrownFanClub

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    I would really like to pursue why you are so sure this is true. I know "facts" are a real inconvenience, but before I just believe something posted on a message board, i would love to get some sort of information to support the argument. Evidence is hard to put together, but things like - i dont know - science and law are founded on the idea of facts and proof. So before an entire party tears itself apart because - as you suggest - the country is opposed to their ideaology, some sort of proof or facts might be helpful. Just because some links and media articles are propoganda does not mean they all are, nor does it mean that "Facts" are inherently untruthful. That would appear to be your argument.

    Now, one might argue that the person who argues that facts are lies might not be that reliable a source.

    I never said the country is liberal, I dont believe that. I dont the the country is predominantly democrat. I thinks its close. I believe the results of the past two presidential election support this, seeing as though they were quite close.
     
  3. Space Ghost

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    I was not pro-bush or anti-bush... I was anti-kerry because he could not answer these questions. Even though I thought Bush was not good for the country, and a piss poor plan, at least he had a plan.

    When it comes down to it, the best thing for this country happened... and that was a democratic house and senate to be elected.
     
  4. Sishir Chang

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    The same could be said for the Republicans.

    At the moment neither party captures a majority of what the country wants and likely can't given how divided the country is. A liberal Democratic agenda no more reflects Kansas than a conservative Republican agenda represents California.
     
  5. Space Ghost

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    I believe you have answered your question here. The old cliche goes, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". I do not believe any mainstream thought/stat that comes from CNN/Fox/ect ... to be gospel. You can make a stat say anything if you word it correctly.

    I do not believe this country is predominately conservative, but there is still a strong conservative mindset. I do not have any hardcore evidence to suggest this, but just as you said, the last two elections have given evidence to this. I believe our country is more so in the middle, strongly swayed by what we see on the major news networks and only hear the "sqeaky wheel".

    You're correct. The Republicans are far from being right.

    And im not trying to debate whether abortion, gay rights, ect ... are right or not, I just believe they should be left up to the states. We complain that the federal government is too controlling, but we keep bringing everything to them when we don't get our way in the state supreme court...this goes for both parties. I believe when it comes presidental election time, and if both parties would agree to answer these items as state issues and not comment on them, and would concentrate on global issues regarding our country, we would have a very different election and more unity.
     
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  6. Sishir Chang

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    The Democrats have put forward plans on all of those things. I won't say they are good plans or I agree with them but they have put out plans.
     
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    Again, Federalism is the only answer to a country as large and diverse as ours. If only we had a system like that.
     
  8. weslinder

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    I have a hypothesis about this, and I don't think there's much we can do about it. Hear me out:

    The facts: Despite having the strongest economy in the world at one of it's highest growth rates in history, international bankers are selling dollars for Euros. This can't be fully explained by Federal Debt, because Europe as a whole is in even worse debt than the United States.

    My hypothesis: The international bankers think that the United States (or at least multinational corporations) will convert to the Euro (if the US adopts it, it'll be renamed). They are converting dollars to Euros, devaluing the dollar, while pumping up the Euro. Eventually, this will become a self-fulfilling prophesy.
     
  9. Dreamshake

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    Says the chickenhawk with the misused stupid quote in his signature. Talk about the pot calling the kettle. LOL.
     
  10. Sishir Chang

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    Actually we do. Its called the US Constitution. Too bad people don't pay as much attention to it. :(
     
  11. DaDakota

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    There I fixed it for you.

    DD
     
  12. rhester

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    Since most of us are brainwashed to the Republican/Democrat dictatorship it will be hard to understand and examine the truth about our political parties- If you vote Republican or Democrat you are a part of the problem because these two parties both represent the same industrial/banker/political cartel.

    Here is one place you should at least start to read-

    http://www.democracyisnotfreedom.com/bipartisanmonopoly01.asp
     
  13. Sishir Chang

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    The current President has abused the Constitution but he's not alone. The growth of Federal power vs. the States is due to both parties.
     
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    correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the speaker of the house 3rd in line?
     
  15. ryan17wagner

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    Wait....we have a state named Vermont!?
     
  16. Deckard

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    Yes, and it's beautiful! We went that way last summer, and ended up in the White Mountains of New Hampshire for a few days. During our travels, we zipped through part of Vermont. That whole area is groovy. :)



    D&D. Chumps Abide!
     
  17. DCkid

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    Yes, just wenting skiing in Stowe, Vermont. Very beautiful state.
     
  18. Aceshigh7

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    This is the one point I wholeheartedly agree with you on. Bush has been a complete joke where illegal immigration is concerned. I'd be all for impeaching him on this case. However, most of the democratic party in the house would need to be impeached as well. As well as Bill Clinton for his pathetic 8 years of doing nothing to secure our borders.

    There are very few politicians in either party with the fortitude to fight illegal immigration. And that is one of the biggest failures of the government.
     
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