Has anyone else wondered where the female terrorists are? How often do you hear of a girl walking into a school and shooting her classmates? Where are all the former female postal employees who kill their bosses? When is the last time we read about a female serial killer or a female serial rapist? Is it just me or does violence, terrorism, war or otherwise, seem to be fostered by testosterone?
Aw come on, mrpaige, we all know about your feud with kirkit, but that sig is in bad taste, even if he did say that. Don't be giving publicity to something that stupid.
When have I ever let taste get in the way of anything? And why does my signature suddenly gain so much attention when kirkit's constant lies get nothing? But the point is made, so I changed it. And excuse me for wanting people to be truthful in their dealings with me. I guess I'm the only one who was offended by the constant barrage of lies. Who knew so many people didn't care about being lied to so much. If we cannot even be bothered to tell each other the truth (and don't care that people lie to us), I wonder why we bother to talk to each other at all (Actually, that's a good question. Why do I hang around here if lies are going to be accepted and I get crap for insisting that the truth be told? Perhaps it is time for me to leave).
I liked the sig, mrpaige. -------------------------------- Well, 90% may be blowing it out of porportion..... 85% is more realistic.
Your argument is not with me. This is an internet bulletin board, which means the truth and lies will be mixed. It's up to the reader to decide which is which. But the fact remains that I have two sons (and I believe you do too, or two children at least) and to make light of children being molested is in bad taste, IMHO. So I said as much. You want to make a grand statement about accountability on the internet by leaving, be my guest. But you know what? kirkit and his ilk will still be here, and the board will be a little less intelligent because of it.
facts on terrorism At least this website tells the real reason why people do terrorism, though, rather than what mrpaige said about women being the problem. You'd think that as many times as men do terrorism that people wouldn't have to blame their acts on women. I know you probably got those from an email that was going around, so it's not your fault. I just wonder about the person who originally said that women's nagging drives 90% of all spree killers to their crimes. well mrpaige, im doing this all in good fun. i dont really hate you even though you said mean things to me. hey, we need some mean people on the board.
did i say something wrong behad? when i said mean, i just meant that it is fun to see some fights once in a while.
Did you really make a reference to molesting small boys? If you did (and I can't find it in a search), then you most definitely said something wrong. Look, I don't intend to get in the middle of whatever you and paige have going. But he used a quote of yours regarding the molestation of boys that I found offensive and I told him so. However, since it seems you were the originator of the quote, and the fact that mrpaige is a well respected and highly regarded veteran poster and you are a newbie trying to cause trouble....well, you can see who's side I'm going to fall on.
1. There's a difference between passing off an untruth and passing off untruths in every post even after being made aware that the information is untrue (and he continues it to this day. His signature is still a lie. Quayle never said what he's attributing to him). I don't mind mistakes. I don't mind differences of opinion. I mind when people lie in every single post. That's being a troll and we used to not put up with that. Now nobody cares. If we'd rather have the trolls than the intelligent conversation, then fine. It's apparently no problem with anyone else that every single post of kirkit's has been a lie. He's never had a post on this board that was completely the truth. That's a long way from what we've always had before. 2. (to kirkit). Yes, my saying "I suspect..." and posting an obvious joke is exactly like your passing off the bogus Bush quotes as being true. And why you get offended by my trying to be polite about it (I was giving you an out, instead of accusing you of lying like you were, I was noting that it probably wasn't your fault. We all get taken in by rumors and myths sometimes. But you preferred to be offended by that, probably because you knew you were lying and quite obviously wanted to continue to do so because you continue to do so even today) is beyond me. The fact that you don't see the difference shows even more of your character and limited intellect. But I'm done with this discussion. I just didn't realize we were putting up with someone who lies in every single post they put on this board. Since I'm not in the clique, I didn't get the updated rulebook.
Hey, I never wanted to give up my "Sgt. at Arms" postition. But I was forced. You're right, there is a lot more apathy among the veterans, because we've been overrun by posting fanatics and trolls such as kirkit. It's becoming increasing hard to find a discussion of value here anymore. I shudder to think what the regular season will be like. Repeat after me... "There is no clique, there is no clique, there is no clique....
One more thing, mrpaige....By definition, a troll has done his job if he has upset the natural order of the board. By getting you riled up, he has won. Do you think ranting on about his signature is gonna make him change it? By extension, if you had not changed your sig after I said I was offended by it, you would have been guilty of trollism. But you did change it, and that is what makes a poster a solid, respected member of an internet community: the ability to know where to draw the line. I'm proud to be associated with you, mrpaige, and I hope you remain.
behad i never said anything about molesting children. mrpaige came up with it on the top of his head just to prove a point. the thing with mrpaige is he took such a small thing toooo seriously. i dont know what a troll is, could you tell me. are you telling me that everything i have done is wrong, and mrpaige is 100% right. i havent really insulted anyone. the quotes in my sig were put there by me back in the day when i believed they were true. i never really thought about it every time i posted. now i have taken it off. but mrpaige is accusing me of being a lying sack of poo face. i think that its wrong, but hey, i dont care. im not getting mad about it. every post you see in response to mine is very aggressive, nobody tries to explain stuff nicely to me like behad did to mrpaige just now. another example, behad, you told me to get lost when i didnt mean it in a bad way. mrpaige originally told me that my quotes were wrong but he said it in a way that offended me. stuff like this happens all the time.
This must be the part where the troll says he doesn't know what a troll is and tries to pawn the problem off on everyone but himself. There was nothing wrong with the way I told you your quotes were mistaken. You chose to engage in troll-like behavior (and don't tell me you don't know what a troll is. A troll is someone who acts exactly like you have ever since you got here) instead of simply taking responsibility for your mistake and correcting it. You chose to leave those quotes up there because you knew they bothered someone. You didn't care that they weren't true because whether they were true or not was not your aim. Your aim was to hack people off. That's why you left them up there even after knowing they were bogus. You wanted to be a troll, and that's exactly what you were. People get aggressive with you because you want them to be aggressive. You throw out shock value in an attempt to get people to get aggressive with you. All this with your signature proves that you are more interested in causing trouble than in having any kind of discussion. You knew your sig was a lie but you kept it up there in an effort to get people to be aggressive with you. And yes, I take telling the truth very seriously. I would hope that everyone would be serious about telling the truth. If you're going to talk to me or anyone else here, have the respect to tell them the truth. Have the respect for them to not purposely try to piss them off. It is a serious thing. You come in here and show everybody so much disrespect and then get miffed that people don't show you respect. Again, it's a two-way street. People will respect you if you respect them. You have shown no respect for any of us. Based on your short history here, it seems you came here specifically to cause trouble. Show respect and you'll get it in return. Be a jacka*s, and people will be aggressive with you. Listen when they try to help instead of getting defensive. Know who you are talking to (some people have developed reputations around here for certain things. They have those reputations because of their long list of contributions to the board. Understanding that dynamic helps a lot in knowing what is being said and why, and how to deal with people in a nice and respectful way.) Like I said before, I don't mind disagreements. Heck, I disagree with so many people in regards to political things, but we disagree respectfully. And our discussions are not about "winning arguments" (arguments cannot be won in the vast majority of cases), they are about expressing views. And expressing views means expressing our real views. It's not about throwing down shock value in order to get an angry response. It's not about baiting people into angry responses. And it's not about making stuff up and lying so as to score points. Have respect for us and we'll have respect for you. Tell the truth. Understand what's being said. Know who you are talking to. Be honest with your opinions. No shock value (unless in an obvious joking manner, of course. Shock value can be fun). And also remember that sometimes it's best to bite one's tongue if oen truly wants to get along (I can't remember all the times that I've wanted to fire off an angry response to someone who disagreed with me. But I held off, believe it or not, because it wasn't the right way to approach it). These are simple rules, but following them will help you get along well with the people on this board. Like I said, we don't mind differing views. We just want those people posting them to respect us enough to tell us the truth and to be respectful of us in the ways I mentioned above.
It seems this thread has been hijacked. Jeff, while testosterone may be partly the cause of violence, I would also say that social factors are at work here. In most cultures, men are raised (and are expected) to act aggressively. At the same time, women are often raised to sit around meekly looking pretty. Thus, men make up the overwhelming majority of violent criminals. And it's no surprise that when you do see female criminals, they often come from homes where violence was rampant. However, the tendency for males to be violent and females to be less so exists in so many different and separate societies that it does seem that the cause would be genetic. But it's nearly impossible for researchers (short of raising a group of children in a lab which would be hideously unethical) to isolate the two factors. It's kind of like the chicken and the egg dilemma.
