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Rafer on pace to beat Franchise record!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tom Bombadillo, Mar 1, 2007.

  1. Deckard

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    His nick ought to be Jack, not Skip. Maybe if he skipped taking some shots, instead of jackin' them up like there's no tomorrow.
     
  2. cavevato

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    Why do you think that?
     
  3. kokopuffs

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    See: New Orleans game.
     
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    Basketball is about more than shooting percentages. Controling the ball, setting the tempo on offense, providing leadership are all things that Rafer does very well, and Luther just doesn't.

    Using your logic, Luther would add 2-3 makes per game over Rafer (probobly not even that many). But that wouldn't come close to making up for the increased turnovers and bad decision making that Luther would bring to the table.

    Rafer's not great, but he's Head and shoulders above the alternative.
     
  5. cavevato

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    But everything your crediting to Rafer should be credited to Tmac. And if Tmac is doing all that, what should be credited to Rafer? I didnt really mean Luther should start over Rafer or anything like that, He still lacks experience but this is only his sophmore campaign so in no way am i saying he is the answer. Im just saying Luther is doing what Rafer should be. Also Luther hasnt made very many bad decisions. If anything Rafer had just as many .
     
  6. ShakeYoHipsYao

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    Well, I'm sorry, but you're just wrong here. Luther is not doing what Rafer should be doing. Rafer is doing what Rafer should be doing. T-Mac cannot do what Rafer does for the whole game without sacrificing other aspects of his game, which are much more important to the team's success.
     
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    There's no way you can be saying this after actually watching the games...
     
  8. cavevato

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    I dont remember what happened in that game. What did he do? Looking at his stats he only had 3 turnovers in 34 mins and finished with 14 points. Did he play poorly?
     
  9. cavevato

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    Luther is taking advantage of the quality looks he gets from Tmac thats all I meant. Im not saying he should play like Luther just shoot like him after all they get the same looks dont they? And you say Tmac cant do what Rafer does all game but again I think your crediting the wrong person again. I think Tmac does do it all game and thats the reason we have been winning and the reason for mvp talks about him. Its when the other teams stop TMAC from doing everything that you say Rafer does is when we struggle.And by struggle I mean lose. Thats just my observation and I could be wrong.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    I think Rafer is a well below average PG.

    However, I hope he and Luther both shatter the record.

    DD
     
  11. ShakeYoHipsYao

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    Yes, he did. Compared to what Rafer brings night in/night out, Luther didn't even come close when asked to fill in.
     
  12. ShakeYoHipsYao

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    You either haven't watched many games this year, or you have a very selective memory.

    1. Luther's production has taken a hit, too, since Yao went out. Yes, he's a better shooter than Rafer, but that's about it. He cannot bring the ball up the court with any sort of consistancy. He cannot run the offense effectively. He cannot pass, and he doesn't dribble well. Rafer is clearly the better option.

    2. T-Mac can do whatever he wants. But if he's expected to run the offense, take all the shots, and bring the ball up the court, he becomes overextended. That is why Rafer is so important (and why we fall apart when he's off the floor). He takes a significant burden off T-Mac's shoulders, allowing him to do what he does best: score.
     
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    I try to name a worse pg in the league who gets close to rafer's minutes and I can't come up with a name.
     
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    Thats a bunny....Smush Parker...or how does Eric Snow and Gary Payton sound? And wow...imagine this...all their teams are mentioned as championship contenders
     
  15. Luffy1

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    Nope try again. All 3 shoot a better % than rafer and only 1 is even close to rafer in minutes (smush). The other two only play 20-25 mins a game as opposed to the 35-40 mins rafer routinely plays.
     
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    I'd take Eric Snow every day and twice on Sunday over Rafer. He defends his hiney off and he takes it to the rim. Smush is much more athletic and plays very good defense at the point, not to mention he's a better shooter than Rafer. It's no contest. I'd swap straight up but the Lakers would never do it.

    Payton? Yeah, he's over the hill. It's a push between him and Rafer.
     
  17. cavevato

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    I can safely say I have watched almost all the games save 2 or 3. I guess I just see something different than you do. Can I ask you a question? If you watched the games or dont have selective memory, How come whenever Tmac is resting on the bench, our offense all of a sudden isnt run as smooth anymore even though Rafer is still in the game?Anyways I didnt intend to make this a rafer vs whoever thing. This thread was about his shooting %, I just picked Luther cause hes the other guard that Tmac creates for.He gets the same looks rafer does...the same exact shots. He doesnt do anything fancy just hits the shots created for him.
     
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    This is what we call delusional. Smush Parker is not better than Rafer. Eric Snow? You've got to be kidding me.
     
  19. ShakeYoHipsYao

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    I don't know... maybe because T-Mac is the best player on our team and the only one that can create his own shot?

    Rafer is better than Luther at PG. Luther is a better shooter. Do we agree?
     
  20. jopatmc

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    LOL, talk about delusional.


    Do you think either one of those teams would trade their guy for Rafer?

    Wake up man.
     

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