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Calderon anyone?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J-Wolf, Feb 21, 2007.

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  1. J-Wolf

    J-Wolf Member

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    I personally think we should go after Calderon. He passes and runs like Nash. He penetrates well and has a very good court vision. After playing the starting point for a while when Ford is injured, he has gained great confidence. Although much improved, he need to work on his shooting techniques. I would give up Wells for him. Any thoughts?
     
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    yeah right, the odds of the Raptors trading him are well zero. He's probably the best backup pg in the league and they have him at a dirt cheap salary so no this definitely isn't happening. The Raptors are slowly gaining contender status in the East so they're not about to sell off one of their best assets
     
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    Colangelo would probably rape CD in any trade they came up with, so no thanks.
     
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    where is the random trade thread at?

    and why would the raptors trade him?

    think before posting.
     
  5. Htown57

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    why dont we get that nash guy while we're at it. That.... and a hakeem clone. A hakeem clone would really add to our current lineup.
     
  6. sammy

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    their GM wouldnt give him up, unless they got the better end of it
     
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    Calderon is playing great for the raptors this year. He's a massive upgrade over alston, but there's zero chance he's on the trade block. I think BC even said he was untouchable recently.
     
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    no way raps trade him, we have no one they are even remotely interested in besides Mac, Yao, and Battier
     
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    Forget Calderon man... we should just get Chris Paul and plan our parade. (That's a joke btw)
     
  10. tmega21

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    Watched quite a bit of Calderon and to say he would be a massive upgrade over Rafer is a MASSIVE exaggeration. He's a good backup in Toronto's wide open system, his lack of a jumper would be painfully exposed were he to play for the rox. One more thing...they aren't exactly known for playing D up there in Toronto. Not hating on Calderon, he's a very good young player, if you were to start a team today, taking him before Rafer might be a good idea, but for the system the Rockets already have in place he would be a mediocre point, no better than skip. And Luffy, I know your next response will be something along the lines of JVG is too stubborn he should tailor his system to fit his players blah blah...he does, those players are Yao and TMac, you don't change your system to accomodate a decent point guard.
     
  11. Luffy1

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    You are woefully underestimating calderon and overestimating rafer if you think it's anything less than a massive upgrade. Calderon may not shoot the 3 as well as rafer, but he can shoot the 2 better and can drive to the basket and score a lot better than rafer who can't even hit floaters.

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    If Rafer can just NOT have any zones in blue there would be no more Rafer bashing. I'm cool if he could get 40-43% in the paint.
     
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    The Rockets don't have a system condusive to shooting mid range jumpers...who beside's T-Mac have you seen take a mid range jumper...the screener on the PnR every once in a while maybe...Fact of the matter is in the rockets offense the PG is spotted up on the wings or at the top of the key waiting to hit the open 3 or swing the ball to the other side, just the way the system is set up. It's that way to take advantage of the strengths of our two superstars, Yao drawing double teams on the block and TMac collapsing the defense in the middle. One area that I really really REALLY think people overlook with rafer is his handle and passing abilities, he makes the difficult pass look routine so it doesn't jump off the screen but how many times can you remember him getting the ball taken from him? And while Yao has improved his game immensely the last two years I can't help but think Rafer has a little bit to do with that when he's getting him the ball deep in the paint where he can do something with it. I know you remember Sura running the point and consistently not getting the ball to Yao when he had good position.
     
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    The rockets don't shoot mid range jumpers cause the players can't hit mid range jumpers. They live or die by the three. The system doesn't say you have to launch all those 3 pointers every game. They do it cause they can't shoot 2 pointers.
     
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    Keep in mind that a 36.5% 3 pt shooter like Rafer is equivalent to a 55% 2 pt shooter which Calderon roughly is. That being said, in other facets of the game who would you rather have....
    Handles: Skip
    Passing: Skip
    Decision Making: Can't say I've watched enough of Calderon to say but he can't be any worse than Rafer is at some times. Probably about a wash
    Defense: Neither one is outstanding, both serviceable defenders.

    What other skills do you need in a PG?
     
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    Juwan Howard's offensive arsenal is built around the mid range jumper.

    He plays 30-40 minutes a night and has had a couple of 15-20 pt games.

    We have no chance of getting Calderon with Bob Sura or scrubs. We might as well go after Chris Paul.
     
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    It is not the same possession wise though. That's a missed 73.5% 3pter is not equivalent to a 45% missed 2 pter. That's almost 75% better chance of the opponent rebounding the ball and going on a fast break.
     
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    Left off the rest of my quote which said the screener on a PnR which Juwon is on the majority of those mid range jumpers...are we going to have our point setting the screen on a Pnr?

    I do agree with you about the rebounding rate on those long 3 pt caroms but its not like that is a humongous factor considering neither one of them should take more than 6-8 shots a game. When it comes to a player like Ray Allen opposed to Dwayne Wade I do agree though.
     
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    It said occassionally. No way is Calderon doing that. If only Rafer took 6-8 shots a game. He takes twice that many. The opponenets are leaving him open on purpose and daring him to shoot. If they would only collapse on him, and leave somebody open.
     
  20. J-Wolf

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    Just my two cents, man. I think Raptors is wasting him on the bench. Ford is a decent PG and Calderon is almost equally good. Raptors can afford to trade Calderon for a SG or SF. Wells could be a good fit. Wells made a big splash last year in the playoffs, and I am just thinking Raptors might be interested.
     

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