Let me offer a simple way to view Mobley and to answer my title question: Vernon Maxwell Drafted 2nd round, Streaky shooter, tenacious defender, awesome finisher, very fast, throws everything he has into every game, you love him and hate him about 10 times each game. OK, I don't see any 30 point 4th quarters in Mobley's streak shooting (but, you know, the Earth shook that day). There are two camps arising on this BBS: those who say trades for good players will have to include Mobley, because his salary is so low and his stock is high by comparison. They say you can force someone who wants Mobley to also take Walt, cause Mobley's salary is negligeable in trades. The other camp says Mobley, Cato and Francis are the core, and can't be traded. I say, if you haven't chosen a camp, ask yourself this question: Taking the "mad" out of "mad max" (leave the juvenile behavior out of it), do you trade Vernon in 90,91,or 92 when we can't get over the hump, and there's much trade requests for Max? The answer to that question is probably your same answer to Mobley. For me: players with heart and talent are so rare, and usually continue to overachieve and improve throughout their years, I couldn't part with Mobley, without another heart-n-talent man to replace him. One thing's for sure, the thought of him playing against us after a trade is scary. I'd go so far to say, for the sake of argument, I'd part with Cato and his leaking bag full of potential, before I'd part with Mobley and his proven drive to excel. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited December 23, 1999).]
i wouldnt trade mobley for any gaurd unless it was: hardaway kidd j.williams g.payton k.bryant stoudamire strickland finley brandon marbury iverson but i would trade him in a heart beat for any forward that averaged 18ppg. 10rebs.
You have to sacrifice something to get something of equal value in this league. That being said, Cuttino Mobley has hit the clutch shots and shown the most heart. I'm for keeping him and Francis. I'm disappointed in Cato (though he ended up with decent stats against the Blazers I think) just from going to the Blazer game. He was not motivated, he was busier chatting with his opponent (I know, I'm sure they are friends but this is not the time) than hyped up to play ball. That is a character flaw. I don't care how intelligent he is, you gotta have the love - Mobley and Carlos have the love of the game. If it's Mobley or Cato, I would trade Cato in a minute.
booooo I was hoping you'd preface your Mobley answer by first answering the Maxwell question. I want to see if the Mobley keepers are the same as the Maxwell keepers. Brahmim...there's only 4 PFs averaging that. Duncan Garnett Webber Shareef Malone (let's not count him) ahh...what's your point here... [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited December 23, 1999).]
Well, Mobley can do one thing better than Vernon, he can break down the defense with ease. That is quite valuable to me. Plus his stock is high but not the highest in his career. Why don't we keep him until he reaches his peak? He is not untouchable because he is not Steve Francis, or Shandon Anderson (better not to trade him if you want to sign FAs in the future.) Trading Mobley now is like trading Othella Harington, that's a good trade but Othella could bring us more if he played the starting role here, say for a year or two, then got traded.
NO trade mobley. He improved a lot from last season to this season and I see no reason as to why he can't make another big improvemnet from this season to next season. Plus, Mobley is still pretty good right now, and if he were to put in the same dedication as he did last summer, then we could have ourselves a future star. I really think he can do it too. He has a hard work ethic and a lot of heart. He can be a star.
We have to look at many variables in deciding who we want to be our core for years to come. Right now I see our line up like this C - ??? PF - Cato (I hope he can learn what consistency is. His size doesn't fit the center spot.) SF - ??? SG - Anderson (Can't get rid of a F.A. who took less to come here. It wouldn't be good for the organization.) PG - Francis I also see Drew and Rogers being very capable back ups who we should be able to afford for years to come. Mobley can play either PG or SG, but he'd be a back up for as long as Anderson and Francis are here. Do you think he wants that? Do you think we'll be able to afford him as a back-up? I think "NO" is the answer to both questions. I really like the guy. He has all the heart I wish every single Rocket player could exhibit. He is confident. He's sorta a cross between Cassell and Maxwell. So, if we could trade him for a young star with lots of potential at the Small Forward or Center position, then I think it would be best. Right now, only Tracy McGrady fits the bill to me. ------------------ I have a dream.........his name's Hakeem.
Thx Dreamer for playing along and answering both questions. Hey CBrownFanClub, and anyone else, can you add a little history here recall any trade rumors for mr 17pts, 40%fg, 31%3pts, Maxwell back in 90, 91, 92. Boy, those numbers look a lot like Mobley. Brahma, sorry for the misspelling. I couldn't resist repeating: you are still talking about the same 4 PFs who produce 15pts, 10 rebounds. Either you are part of the crowd who thinks Otis Thorpe, Horace Grant and Kevin Willis frequent this younger generation, or you mean, 15pts , 8 rebounds.
brahma rocket: please tell me you're talking about Tim Hardaway and not that selfish, always injured, overrated, punk that likes causing problems and getting coaches fired (Penny).
yes of course timmy, i dont want a guy on that cant play cause his shoes dont feel right. something happened to him after shaq left. ------------------ dont worry just repeat after me, kenyon martin, kenyon martin
BR, A Brahama is not necessarily a bull. It is just another breed of cattle along with Jersey, Gurrnsey, Angus, Hereford, Brown Swiss, Beefmaster, Santa Gertrudis, Brangus, Simmental.....et al.... Since the Brahma originated in the Indian subcontinent, the mixup was understandable. Mango [This message has been edited by Mango (edited December 24, 1999).]
BR, You made a mistake challenging me on this cattle issue. I named the cattle breeds, in my earlier post, off the top of my head. Does one get a Brahma (Brahman) bull from a Guernsey cow? NO!!!!!! Here are some links to Bramhan (Brahma) cattle web sites. http://www.ionet.net/~brahman/ http://www.brahman.org/history.html Mango [This message has been edited by Mango (edited December 24, 1999).]
We already have a young star on the rise...his name is Cattino Mobley. We don't need to, and shouldn't trade him. For what ? I'm watching him blow past a lot of vets the last few games. When he actually starts distributing the ball, wow. Did you see his feed along the baseline to Cato tonight ? I could hardly keep up with the movement of the ball. The refs sure couldn't.
I really enjoy watching Cat play, although in the 4th he gets too cocky and turns the ball over. But I do like his style of play, especially when he knows he's on fire. I loved watching him toast Quitten on both occasions, especially hitting those long 3s in his humpy hump face!
Dreamer, I agree with you whole-heartedly except as regards the glaring need for a center. I have no problem with Cato as our Center, but we do have a hole the size of Texas at the SF spot. IMO, Mobley is the best player we have right now, and he will continue to improve his game year over year! Mobely has courage and competitive fire. I would be just SICK if we traded him. The chemistry seems to be there between Francis and Mobely. I'd honestly rather trade Shandon Anderson (and I love him too). WE DO, HOWEVER, HAVE A GLARING NEED FOR A SMALL FORWARD!
