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With just days to go to the NBA trading deadline...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by xiki, Feb 18, 2007.

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  1. JayLau910

    JayLau910 Member

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    i agree. rafer sometimes can't shoot and sometimes seems to overshoot but he really is a very good point guard that knows how to run this team. though i'd wish he'd drive to the hole more and finish better, i dont think trading him is best for our team.

    and I am strongly against trading luther head. That's our best shooter, and he's impressing me more each game. No need to trade him.

    And I kinda agree that w/Yao bak and the team we have now, we aren't in need of drastic changes. But if we could get a good pg for cheap, I think we should do that. But I don't thinkin trading luther or alston is good for us.
     
    #121 JayLau910, Feb 19, 2007
  2. 1Bowler

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    We don't need to trade anyone, we have the 5th best record in the entire league so why mess with what works.
     
    #122 1Bowler, Feb 19, 2007
  3. MONON

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    You failed to mention that we are the 5th best team in the NBA without one of our 2 stars. Now the down side is that the 4 teams better than us are in the West. That means we won't have a home court advantage in the playoffs.

    Course after Yao comes back, we could overtake Utah and SA.
     
    #123 MONON, Feb 20, 2007
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    I can't believe there haven't been any trades yet, with the deadline being so close. Starting to get bored...
     
    #124 AroundTheWorld, Feb 20, 2007
  5. NIKEstrad

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    Padgett for Tsakalidis may be the boldest move any contender makes. ;)
     
    #125 NIKEstrad, Feb 20, 2007
  6. Da Wink

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    I'm hoping that we'll make a move...especially now it seems that the Lakers are getting Kidd.We badly need stability in the back court...I feel that JVG want to have a 2 headed attack at the PG just like his NY days.Remember the Ward-Childs combo...one more PG and Yao's return and we'll be okay...ayt!
     
    #126 Da Wink, Feb 20, 2007
  7. bratna8

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    As much as I hated Francis for his dumb shot selections, I wouldn't mind having him back as our backup point so we can limit Rafer's minutes and we can always yank him out of the game to put Francis in when he's struggling. It's better that not getting anything before the trade deadline. :rolleyes:
     
    #127 bratna8, Feb 20, 2007
  8. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    The need to "yank" Rafer out early when he is struggling is glaring. I can't completely agree about adding Francis, it seems a little desperate, but we really could use a solid change up for 15-18mpg.
     
    #128 Ziggy, Feb 20, 2007
  9. Jerry36

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    I think it is an absolute must that the rockets get a quality experience backup pt guard. You can't go into the playoffs with only Rafer inconsistent Alston and expect to win a championship.
     
    #129 Jerry36, Feb 20, 2007
  10. Pwnocchio

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    Good lord... Rafer isn't as bad as some of you people think. Shooting percentage is not the only statistic in basketball, certainly not for a point guard. Besides, I believe Rafer's percentages were up when Yao was in the game- he is being forced to take more shots at the moment. I do believe we need a quality backup PG, but I don't think trading either Head or Alston will be good for this team. People say we can't win with Rafer on this team- but we now have the 5th best record in the NBA.

    I can't believe some of you fools still want Mike James.
     
    #130 Pwnocchio, Feb 20, 2007
  11. solid

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    I completely agree, if the Rockets are not desperately trying to make a deal for another guard, frankly, they are dumber than dirt. This team desperately needs a shooter at the guard position. If we had one, they could really punish other teams for doubling Yao or TMac. I know Luther can shoot, but we need another.
     
    #131 solid, Feb 20, 2007
  12. GoatBoy

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    Isn't Francis still getting paid the max? Why would you want a backup point guard that gets paid the max?

    Or did I miss his contract getting bought out or something?
     
    #132 GoatBoy, Feb 20, 2007
  13. xiki

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    I think NOT. Heck NOT. But, here's someone's idea of a perfect Rocket deal:

    http://www.mlive.com/pistons/weblog/index.ssf?/mtlogs/mlive_pistons/archives/2007_02.html#239076

    Trade winds strong this week!
    Milwaukee - After weeks of occasional wink-winks here and there, along with a few 'I got you!' nods, it's time for NBA GMs to show and prove themselves this week.

    The trading deadline is Thursday afternoon, and you can bet the Pistons will be like every other team, working the phones to see if they can make a deal.

    Joe Dumars has said he wants another perimeter-oriented player, and is willing to give up one of his big guys to make it happen. He's never said who the big guys on the trading block are, but it's clear that it's Nazr Mohammed and Dale Davis. And if he can throw Flip Murray into the deal, that'll be even better.

    I wrote about a month ago that I felt Detroit should hold on to Nazr, and I'm sticking to that until I see a reason to change course. I have this feeling that Nazr will help this team win at least one playoff game, if they keep him around. From what I'm hearing, the Pistons are more inclined to do so now than they were earlier, in part because Mohammed seems willing to accept a diminished role now, and the fact that he might be Detroit's starting center next season if C-Webb doesn't re-sign with the team.

    There have been several deals talked about in recent months involving the Pistons, but there's only one that seems to make the most sense for both Detroit, and the trading partner.

    Now before you get too excited, let me make this as clear as possible. This deal is not immiment. In fact, from what I understand, there's nothing going on with the Pistons or the players I'm about to mention, or any of the popular names associated with them (Mo Peterson, Juan Dixon, Marco Jaric, just to name a few).

    Does that mean they'll stand pat with their current roster, and that there's no chance of landing any of the aforementioned players?


    Of course not.

    It doesn't take long to get a deal done these days in the NBA. The Rip Hamilton-for-Jerry Stackhouse trade a few years back came together in less than 48 hours after talks began. The trade for Rasheed Wallace came together pretty quick as well, which is not the norm when you're talking three or more teams.

    Even with no deal expected soon, the one that makes the most sense for all involved would be Detroit sending Dale Davis and Flip Murray to Houston, for Bonzi Wells and Bobby Sura.

    For Houston, the deal makes sense because you would be adding a veteran big man in Davis who can rebound and defend the post. Dikembe Mutombo did a really good job of filling while Yao Ming was hurt, but the Rockets could still benefit from having another player along those lines who has experience in big, playoff games. Houston would also be getting rid of a player (Wells) that clearly is not on the same page as JVG, and by all indications, won't be anytime soon.

    By picking up Flip Murray, the Rockets would be taking a gamble similar to the one they took with Wells. However, when you consider he would be taking a roster spot vacated by a guy who hasn't played since the 2005 season (Sura) due to back and knee injuries, the worst that can happen is Murray will give you exactly what the guy he replaced, gave you -- nothing. The potential upside, however, is huge. When Murray's on top of his game - which hasn't happened too much in Detroit - he can be unstoppable. If he puts together a stretch like that in the playoffs, and Yao and T-Mac are healthy, the Rockets could be an emerging sleeper out West.

    As for Detroit, Wells would give them a proven perimeter scorer off the bench who would create another mismatch for opponents to worry about. I sometimes struggle with the idea that Wells is in fact a guard, because he rebounds the ball so well.

    Sura, an ex-Piston, would probably be put on the inactive roster or waived.

    Even if Detroit decided the eat the rest of Sura's contract, it would be worth it to pick up Wells. Such a move would position the Pistons for a similar run they had three years ago after they picked up Rasheed Wallace. And by adding Wells and Webber within weeks of one another, that would go down as yet another couple of nice trading deadline deals by Joe D.
     
    #133 xiki, Feb 20, 2007
  14. JayZ750

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    Rockets do not need potential upside. They already have that with Bonzi. They need upside.

    As non-existant as Bonzi has been, Flip has been worse. And Dale Davis has been that guy you throw in a deal because he's big and can rebound for the last 4 years...pass.
     
    #134 JayZ750, Feb 20, 2007
  15. ndnguy85

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    exactly. bonzi is the wing palyer we need. unless we are trading bonzi for a proven pg..it's pointless.

    why should we help detroit? so they can dump some crappy players?
     
    #135 ndnguy85, Feb 20, 2007
  16. X-PAC

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    I wish the Detroit rumor would die already. Flip Murray hasn't done anything since his Seattle days (potential? Cleveland/Detroit both passed on that.) and Dale Davis is a fossil. No thank you.
     
    #136 X-PAC, Feb 20, 2007
  17. ucansee2020

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    Didn't we get Jake? Why do we need Dale Davis? I am sure Detroit would be thrilled to make that trade. But Rockets would be getting nothing in return for Bonzi.
     
    #137 ucansee2020, Feb 20, 2007
  18. Rookie34

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    I agree 100 % ... we have Yao/Deke/Jake, so we don 't need an other big guy like Davis!
     
    #138 Rookie34, Feb 20, 2007
  19. shaggylambda

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    We need Bonzi against the Spurs...I think Snyder will help us against the Mavs
     
    #139 shaggylambda, Feb 20, 2007
  20. mac_got_this

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    I'm reading the ESPN insdier (before the All-star) game and it says that the Hawks coach is displeased with the way Speedy Claxton is distributing the ball in Atlanta and that he is looking to move the veteran guard.

    Maybe we should give Atlanta a call?
     
    #140 mac_got_this, Feb 20, 2007
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