In these scenarios, lateral moves such as this abound. I believe Ric's whole point is that if we're going to get the same guy, it had better not cost cap space and/or picks.
I'm not sure there's anything left to be argued on this subject. As for me, I'd like to see Carr gone and Plummer in. Plummer would be interesting to me. I'd like to see what could happen.
Bears fan here - It ain't C-town. As bad as Rex played this year we don't want him. At least Rex gives a crap. Rex; although not technically a Rookie (but because of injuries); essentially was a rookie. Don't expect them to down grade the QB position just because he was inconsistant. Carr is even more so and has much more experience. Most people think the Bears weakest link was QB and justifibally so, but that doesn't mean they'll settle on a looser like Carr. When Da Bears won in '85, McMahon was the QB and he couldn't hit hit water if he fell out of a boat, but he was a winner and that is somthing Carr is not...a winner. Bears will make some changes, but they were 13-3 (regular season) and did go to the Super Bowl, don't expect them to settle on Carr.
Your points do have merit, but in this case I believe the numbers don't tell the entire story. Carr's numbers TD/INT ratio has been low because most of the time he doesn't air it out. He's afraid to. Plus, the systems he's had to work under at least somewhat decreased his chances of even remotely making plays. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Top ratings in NFL QB mean nothing if you aren't winning games. Yes, he has many issues with adequate OL protection but, largely when the game is on the line, he freezes up. Am I wrong? Lets go back to that wonderful inaugural game with Dallas in 2002. How did we win that game? We won by Carr airing it downfield and taking some chances and the D for once came in to slam the door on the Pokes. My point that game, Carr was a gunslinger but afterwards he hasn't played the game largely the same since. If he was to make aggressive mistakes and lose I would marginally tolerate that but, to go down like a whupped pup many games over. It's a sad commentary when your supposed leader can't inspire a gnat when the rubber hits the road! Furthermore, it's sad when your QB not only can't win games for you but screws up games where you have an opportunity to win. Say what you want Ric about the Texans not having a legitimate opportunity to win over Dallas. The fact remains at the beginning of the third quarter, the Texans were winning 6-3 before DC coughs up turnovers on 3 consecutive possessions. The @Tennessee game, if he doesn't cough up that fumble prior to the half that was returned for a TD, we win based on the numbers that's a fact. The Buffalo game, if he completes a simple slant pattern pass on a 3rd and freakin 2, it sustains the drive and more than likely Buffalo would have never gotten the ball back. Say what you want about coulda, woulda, shoulda or hava not chanca, the fact remains the 3 aforementioned examples indelibly frame my argument about DC's incompetencies as an NFL QB. Did I mention that if Kuby would not have taken the ball out of his hands, that we would have lost the Raiders game as well? Based on all this ... You're telling me that Plummer would be no improvement over Carr!?! I'm sorry to say but I see a very, very, very slim chance that Carr will EVER succeed here in Houston. Again, IMO comparing the numbers of Plummer to Carr is more like comparing apples to oranges. Carr's mistakes were minimized because as the season went along, Kuby would only allow him to do so much because he did not trust his playmaking ability. So basically the 2006 numbers comparison is just that just numbers and means little more.
Yeah Carr for 2nd rounder the only way I see that happening is send a case of Dom Perignon because the GM and owner that does this move will be accused of being drunk and/ or high on batsh*t! LOL! If we can get a third rounder take the deal and run. That's how far DC's stock has fallen. We could use the extra draft pick no doubt.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/02/19/truth.rumors.nfl/ The Texans finally admitted what's been reported for a while now: David Carr is on the trading block. Houston is hoping to get a third-round pick for Carr that could escalate to a second-rounder. Houston, though, could have a hard time unloading Carr. -- Fort Worth Star-Telegram Houston is trying to trade David Carr, and thinks it may have a taker before the draft... Minnesota and Oakland are the two rumored destinations, but don't count out Miami, which never has met a quarterback it wouldn't trade to get, or Kansas City. -- Trenton Times
This is just a general question because I'm not sure of the answer. Can anybody remember the last time a large contract player in the NFL was traded for another large contract player? Perhaps I am just missing something obvious, but it doesn't seem to me to happen very often. Because of this I doubt that anybody will come back in a trade for Carr. Of course I could be wrong. In fact as far as I can remember, the key return in a trade is almost always a draft pick. Occasionally a below average player is thrown in but more often than not I think trades involve a player on one side and draft pick/s on the other?
After reviewing all of the arguments here, it's my belief that the Texans will follow the path of least resistance which means that they will trot out Carr again in 2007 with an upgraded OL and running game and let the chips fall where they may. They will do so, not because of anything Carr has shown but because they have invested too much money in DC to back out now so they are going to gamble the whole pot that a miracle can happen. They are so far down in the hole with him that they really have nothing much left to lose at this point. As I see it, that legion of fans whom they pissed off by passing on Vince "The Chosen One" Young are essentially lost to them until the Texans actually start winning (and maybe not even then). Those fans who were bold and brave enough to sink real money into season tickets and PSLs are going to have to somehow come to grips with the reality that while theirs were the best of intentions, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And if (and when) they do bring Carr back and he starts channeling Jake Plummer (the bad Jake the Snake), everyone will just have learn to live with it because the weekly comparisons to VY will most likely go off the charts. Oh, and you can expect neither mercy nor understanding from the talking heads in the media because they live for this sort of thing and it's far easier (and not to mention infinitely more satisfying) to continually expound on a team's past misfortunes (there's something magical about the joy of saying "we told you so"). Yeah, I can't wait for training camp to start.
LOL - I have time and time again.......and it was not a personal attack.......I called his arguments delusional, not him. Which is far better than some people around these here parts. DD
That's great that you came to this belief by reading all of the arguments here, but did you read the article MadMax posted a few posts above yours? Neither can I. Football season can't come soon enough.
and that's my point too. the only thing I am saying is that jake plummer being benched in denver has no bearing on what goes on in houston. I don't want jake either.
