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[Official] Lost: Season 3

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by rodrick_98, Sep 17, 2006.

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  1. Mr. Brightside

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    this spoiler regards the chapter of A Brief History of Time that Aldo was reading.

    http://www.thetailsection.com/lost_spoilers/what_was_aldo_researching.php



    from the comments section regarding the black hole chapter in the A Brief History of Time that Aldo was reading:

    Hey guys, read this description of a black hole from Wikipedia. It almost perfectly describes the island, except that the Others do seem able to communicate with the outside, or at least used to be able to.

    "A black hole is defined to be a region of space-time where escape to the outside universe is impossible. The outer boundary of this region is called the event horizon. Nothing can move from inside the event horizon to the outside, even briefly, due to the extreme gravitational field existing within the region. For the same reason, observers outside the event horizon cannot see any events which may be happening within the event horizon; thus any energy being radiated or events happening within the region are forever unable to be seen or detected from outside. Within the black hole is a singularity, an anomalous place where matter is compressed to the degree that the known laws of physics no longer apply to it."
     
  2. VesceySux

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    Have you guys seen this yet? This is the "Clockwork Orange" scene from the last episode... only played backwards. During the scene, you can hear a voice saying...

    "Only fools are enslaved by time and space."

    It's not a hoax, either. Pretty freaky, if you ask me.

    <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/OxjsNE5uHg0"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/OxjsNE5uHg0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
     
  3. BenignDMD

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  4. Ottomaton

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    It might not be a annagram. 'Mitte los' translates from German using my non-ideomatic German as a number of things that might be relevant. 'in the middle of destiny or fate' or 'the middle portion' or 'loosly the middle'.

    I'm not entirely sure but 'loosely the middle' is I believe the way that would probably translate by default. Everything more or less revolves around what Mittelos is doing. I remember reading that the hyroglyphics on the counter that were seen right before 'the hatch' blew up translated basically as 'you are screwed'.

    It would be consistent with what they did there for the name to be a complex puzzle that when deciphered states the obvious.
     
  5. VesceySux

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    You might be right, but one of the producers specifically said to look for an anagram word in the last episode.

    LOL. You actually wanna read it? It's boring! Plus, it links back to a few of the readings in the class which you might not have read (thus, making it confusing).
     
  6. GermanRoxFan

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    i don't think it has much to do with german.

    as far as i know the producers confirmed that mittelos (lost time) was the anagram.
     
  7. Cannonball

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    Except that in last seasons finale, Desmond's girl and crew detected something when the hatch counter went to zero and the magnetic implosion was going on. Again, like it mentions, they can contact the outside world and the outside world can detect them.
     
  8. Xenochimera

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    wow thats some final destination stuff right there, hopefully the next eps explains some stuff :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
  9. WhoMikeJames

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    Seriously someone needs to explain all this **** on Lost...

    If Desmond traveled back in time when he switched the key and then came back to the present how did he know that Charlie was going to get electrocuted and drown trying to save Clair?
     
  10. Cannonball

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    Maybe he's already lived what we consider the present or future. Just like he went to the past and had "flashbacks" of what would be present day to everyone else. His past = our present/future.
     
  11. Surfguy

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    Desmond needs to cut out the psychedelic mushrooms. Unbelievable. Next thing he is going to do is put on some New Order and start dancing like Bruce Springsteen. But, he's doing the best he can under the circumstances. :eek:
     
  12. Uprising

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    ZOMG! First awesome episode in a long time! I love the TWISTS! I thought it was Clair all along!
     
  13. VesceySux

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    Well, after this episode, I've figured out why J.J. Abrams is such a huge fan of Stephen King.

    If the name "Oy" means nothing to you, DO NOT click the spoiler link below.

    Um, The Dark Tower, anyone?

    BTW, we've got more philosopher sightings: Desmond David Hume. David Hume was a Scottish philosopher (heavily influenced by... John Locke) who, among other things, wrote about free will and causation. Coincidence?
     
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    Everytime I see Desmond with the beard, all I can think of is:


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  15. Ottomaton

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    BTW with all of the black hole/singularity talk, you can create a geometric transform of space/time called a closed timelike curve. I can't say I really understand the concept, but I think it involves applying non-Euclidian geometry to General Relativity. They are related to singularities because singularities are one of the few things that can fold space/time, and thus bend it into a closed, timelike curve.

    Despite not understanding them, I can say that they have many features that would explain what is going on regarding time and coincidence.

    [rquoter]

    One feature of a CTC is that it opens the possibility of a worldline which is not connected to earlier times, and so the existence of events that cannot be traced to an earlier cause. Ordinarily, causality demands that each event in spacetime is preceded by its cause in every rest frame. This principle is critical in determinism, which in the language of general relativity states complete knowledge of the universe on a spacelike Cauchy surface can be used to calculate the complete state of the rest of spacetime. However, in a CTC, causality breaks down, because an event can be "simultaneous" with its cause - in some sense an event may be able to cause itself. It is impossible to determine based only on knowledge of the past whether or not something exists in the CTC that can interfere with other objects in spacetime. A CTC therefore results in a Cauchy horizon, and a region of spacetime that cannot be predicted from perfect knowledge of some past time.

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    There have also been many dystopian science fiction stories that involve complete genetic sterility of the human race at some future point, usually from things like environmental contamination.

    My best guess at this point is that the story includes both of these features - that the brain trust of 'the others' at some future date has created a singularity/CTC at some point in the far future. Normally a singularity would require an obscene amount of mass which would squish everybody, but it was somehow created with magnetism instead of gravity. The island and it's surroundings, therefore, would exist 'outside' of time. The reason this singularity was created was to take advantage of the way it interacts with many points of time simultaneously. They enter at one point in time and exit at a point beore hand (i.e. travel back in time) and using the abundant resources and larger pool of smart scientists from a previous generation to come up with a way to prevent the impending die-off of the human race, hence Dr. Juliet Burke, the fertility doctor. Much of the general 'weirdness' of the flashbacks, etc. would be side effects of the CTC. In other words, because the CTC 'opens the possibility of a worldline which is not connected to earlier times, and so the existence of events that cannot be traced to an earlier cause.'; or new 'daughter' worlds are created backwards from the present and replay divergent versions the past which interact with the present.

    An example, albeit not so fanciful, of these two concepts coming together in a story would be the science fiction book Timescape by Gregory Benford.

    The main thing that I can't figure out at this point is where 'eye patch dude' that showed up briefly on the video in 'the pearl' and supposedly the bad guys whom he represents figures into things.

    I don't read any of the fan websites, so if I've made some obvious mis-conclusion, feel free to tell me why I'm wrong.
     
  16. WhoMikeJames

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    ^^^

    Good explanation.

    But i don't see how Lost is going to explain all the phenomenon throughout the season.
     
  17. updawg

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    that episode made my head hurt
     
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    Please end at this season.
     
  19. studogg

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    Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
     
  20. emjohn

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    I totally forgot about that guy. Now my head hurts.

    My guess is we have one more season after this one, a year break, and a big screen finale.

    Evan
     

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