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Making the Call with Ronnie Nunn (Wade, contact, driving related)

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Kim, Feb 10, 2007.

  1. Kim

    Kim Member

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    There has been a lot of talk here, and in most message boards about Wade and the calls he gets whether they're justified or not. Other players get brought into the discussion too, like Ginobili and Parker. Are people hating the player when they should be hating the game? While I do think Wade gets a lot of calls, I also believe he takes it in more than most players.

    But this thread is specifically about the show on NBAtv called Making the Call with Ronnie Nunn . Ronnie Nunn is the director of officials in the NBA, and every week has a 30 minute show with two other guys and they discuss controversial calls of the week. Sometimes the hosts agree and sometimes they don't. Some calls are simple, like the refs not realizing that the shot clock has expired before the release. Some calls are funny, like when the Spurs didn't have 5 players, and then Nunn would explain how it's always 5 on 5 in the NBA so the last player to foul out doesn't foul out, but gets T'd up every time he fouls past 6. There's the controversial ones like Kobe's suspension.

    The biggest one that caught my attention last week was breaking down a play by Derron Williams. It was a fast break and Derron Williams took it full court for a layup, jumped into Barginani of the Raptors and got to the FT line. One host said it was called a blocking foul and that was the correct call because Barginani was inside the circle and jumped and Williams drew contact.

    Here's the important stuff:
    Ronnie Nunn said that it should have been a NO CALL. He said that the most blown calls in the NBA today are calling a blocking foul when it should be a no call. He said veteran refs make this mistake just as much as rookie officials. Ronnie Nunn said that a defender is allowed to jump straight up, even if he is in the circle. So if the offensive player jumps into the defender, but the defender maintains verticality, then it should be a no call.

    Ronnie Nunn said that the problem is most officials, when confronted with a driving contact situation, only look at the offensive player and glance at the defender to see if he is planted outside the circle. They see the air contact and automatically assume that the defender jumped INTO the offensive player. It should only be a foul if the defender jumped FOWARD INTO the offensive player, but just because there's contact in the circle doesn't mean there should be a foul call. (Of course there's still fouls if the defender like leans forward to hit the arm or something)

    The point is Ronnie Nunn has stated that the NBA is constantly working on this issue and that it is the thing officials are getting wrong the most in the game today.

    This is huge in my opinion. Because Yao always got so many fouls for just jumping straight up or standing still inside the circle and a speedy offensive player would just jump straight into Yao. I've also noticed that for the last couple of weeks, Wade's FT's have gone down. He still gets a lot, but not the insane 14 to 26 FT attempts he was getting before.

    This is not hating on Wade, for many players, mostly guards would just jump into defenders in the circle looking to create contact, and get the call. Wade has been the most aggressive at doing so. Hopefully the officials are adjusting more as the season progresses. This should definitely help the Rockets for the foul drawing from driving guards jumping into stationary bodies isn't that big of a deal for our offense, and it protects us more on defense, because our defenders are generally fundamentally sound.

    Just want to pass this tidbit along. I'll keep an eye out to see if the refs are actually adjusting to this, for Nunn did say that the problem is in that the refs are inherently bad at seeing the situation...it's not that they're blatantly disregarding the rules.
     
  2. Omer

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    That is soo ballin.

    Let's hope they fix their erroneous ways, this should be good for us.
     
  3. Drexlerfan22

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    While I generally agree with you, I'm not sure how happy Bonzi and T-Mac will be about this, haha.
     
  4. Omer

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    T-Mac doesn't get crap called for him anyway, his FT shooting will probably stay the same.
     
  5. Easy

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    Kim, that's great. That's exactly what I've been saying: offensive player creating the contact should not get the blocking foul call. Wade and other penetrating players get lots of those calls.

    About Wade, he is a great talent. He is aggressive. But I don't like the way he recklessly jumps into defenders. In that sense, Francis was similar. I used to pulled my hair watching Francis make up his mind and go to the rim no matter how crowded the lane was. Lots of times he had nowhere to go and just threw his body to people and hoped for a foul call. He got bailed out by the refes sometimes. But lots of times he got blocked or just threw up some wild shots that most of the times didn't go in. (When it went in, people went nut and raved about how talented he was.)

    There are three major differences between Francis and Wade:
    1. Wade is stronger and therefore can finish even when there is contact.
    2. Wade has a much more reliable midrange shot.
    3. Wade gets the calls.
     
  6. KeepKenny

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    I find it hard to believe that the refs so consistently blew the call during Yao's 2nd and 3rd years in the league. Here's the director of officiating telling us what we all knew and complained about. The rockets have been sending them tapes for years. We fans have been debating the whole time whether Yao should stand with his arms up, take a charge, or jump straight up. Now it's revealed that the refs basically just refuse to call it like they should. Makes me feel much better. :rolleyes:
     
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    its a hard habit to break for the nba culture, giving the aggressive offensive player calls he doesn't deserve. how many times do you hear an announcer say, " the offensive player created the contact" after a blocking foul is called. I absolutely hate it. its almost accepted that all you have to do is be reckless and you'll get the benefit of the doubt.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    You left out:
    4. Wade is quicker. Unless you put a smaller player on him, he gets around his man at will.
    5. Wade jumps higher. SF had good hops but not like Wade, which is why you must foul him when he attacks the rim. He slam dunks better in traffic than any 6-3/6-4 player I've ever seen. How many 6-3 players can stuff a Chauncey Billups turnaround off of a post up?
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    the only thing I think is correct is that wade has better lateral quickness. I've never seen a guy dunk in traffic better at francis's height. not even close. Francis had a 43' verticle leap. that's off the charts.
     
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    i understand they say they are trying to fix this blocking non call...however i see them resulting in saying, "well he's been doing it for so many years so we can't change that!"
     
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    After what happened today, I don't blame the Cavs as much for allowing Wade to kill them in the 4th quarter. It's amazing how the guy turns it on like a switch.
     
  12. Laozi

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    Hopefully this is something the refs can sit down and take some time to get clear on during the allstar break. No calls are important to the benefit of defensive minded player as well as keeping the game flowing instead of having it stop for undeserved free throws every 2:00 or so.
     
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    Ronnie Nunn and his show and his refs and David Stern and so on and so forth.... have ZERO creditability.

    I like to hear Ronnie explains away if we were to send a compilation of tapes showing Yao with all of his scars and how they got there in the first place.

    I'd like to hear Ronnie making that call when he sees Yao being practically mugged in the lane with no calls, and then Yao just breathes on a guy and it will be an automatic foul.

    Please, we all know there is no checks and balance under the current system in the NBA. The rules basically do not apply to everyone. How many times have we seen that bad rerun, where we literally got ass-raped by the refs,and not a damn thing that can be done about it.

    The NFL isn't perfect but at least they got accountability when it comes to their refs, let's face it in the NBA, it's a big frigging joke!




    Thank you for letting me vent, now back to doing housework while my wife is relaxing with her friends! :)
     
  14. Shroopy2

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    Maybe there's no credibility since its not helping anything toward your rooting interest in Yao. That foul calls are being called less in Dwyane Wade's favor shows something is being done, even if its small. When the league directs their attention away from the perimeter and back to interior play (which I think they eventually will), then positive changes in favor of big men like Yao will surely come.

    I believe the NBA's been over-coached and over-officiated for a while. The coaching part is understandable since they're getting paid millions to win a championship for the franchise and for the city. But some basketball games in the neighborhood courts seem to get by just fine without any referees :eek:
     
  15. Kim

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    I think this is a big deal in the sense that the issue is so misunderstood amongst fans, game announcers, and the press, and probably even amongst many players and coaches.

    The NFL makes mistakes and sends out reports and it gets printed through the AP wires and so forth saying "We the NFL are sorry for being wrong last Sunday".

    The NBA does not do that, and the press and fans jump all over the NBA for not being accountable. The problem is, the NBA does admit to officiating mistakes, but they don't do it publicly, not through the press...they do it through their own channels, like NBAtv. The problem is the press doesn't watch NBAtv and that's not a story, it's just shows on the NBA's network.

    But it's a big deal to me in the sense that every week, the NBA's director of officials is publicly stating through his show: "we blew this call, we blew that call etc."

    I'm just trying to spread the info along to help people understand better. And it's great to hear clarification on the block vs charge vs no call debate.

    The problem is now that even though Refs should have more "no calls" instead of "blocking calls", Ronnie Nunn point blank admitted that the Refs are not good at seeing the situation. Basically he's saying, our NBA Refs are good at most things, but this block call vs no call thing, they suck at it, and we're sorry, but we're trying to get better.

    It's a tough situation, honestly, for a ref, in my opinion. It's just natural to watch the offensive player, watch the ball, etc....great Refs (I've reffed before) have to fight off all their natural watching tendencies. It's hard to see the offensive player get contact in the air and be sure if the defender jumped straight up, or a little forward, or backward, because the whole time, you're not looking at the defender, you're just looking to see if the offensive player got hit.

    So, this is great in the sense that we know what the Rules specify now, and how the NBA thinks it should be called. But it's not so great in the sense that the NBA is admitting that they suck at enforcing this rule correctly.
     

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