He could probably "get it" or whatever answer will suffice if Party Pizza explained herself better other than pick one NOW NOW NOW
I know several people who claimed to be homosexual, some of them claimed to be born that way and they enjoyed homosexual sex for years only to later stop homosexual sex, choose heterosexual sex and claim to have entered the homosexual lifestyle due to the wrong choices they made and others made. I know other people who experienced heterosexual sex and later became unsure about their sexuality and later experienced homosexual sex and then claimed they were never heterosexual and claimed to be born homosexual. That's pretty complicated. So A and B doesn't work in all cases. How about this for an answer. Sexual activities are choices that may be influenced by many factors but cannot be determined by genetics. Every time you have a sexual partner you make the choice to have either heterosexual sex, homosexual sex, bestiality, pedaphilia or whatever floats your boat at the time- unless you are forcibly raped. Just tell me your point. The question is not valid because you are not one or the other until you make the choice, it is a behavior.
But the question is very valid. I can't recall a specific instance that I made the choice to be heterosexual and going to school in the San Francisco Bay Area I had plenty of opportunity to engage in homosexual sex but never felt the predilection to do so. Under your argument that it is all a choice then at some point you must've made the choice to be attracted to women. Behavior alone doesn't define sexual orientation. It is an indicator but there are people who are completely celibate yet would still consider themselves either homosexual, heterosexual or even bi-sexual.
Rhester; Sorry to put you on the spot but I think this is an important point so let me ask you two questions. If you met someone who was a virgin but said that they felt very strongly attracted to the same gender would you consider that person a homosexual? What if the virgin said they felt strongly attracted to the other gender would you consider them heterosexual?
Sishir, Do you feel that homosexuality is a choice or simply something that one is born with? Or do you think that it is a combination of the two? I personally believe that we're all born with varying degrees of our leanings towards homosexuality, and that our environment dictates the rest. This theory is used in Psychology, but the subject matter is usually musical talent. I forget the scientific name of this, but it's my view on it. your thoughts?
Homosexuality is a hurtful behavior, but I don't think I want to bash or condemn someone because they are in hurtful and destructive behavior. I don't consider former homosexuals as being disingenuous any more than I consider current practicing homosexuals disingenuous. The problem with this subject is that some Christians do bash homosexuals, are very judgmental and condemning and down right harsh and mean spirited towards homosexuals because the Bible calls it a sexual sin. I have talked to many homosexuals, former homosexual and former heterosexuals and I have never had them feel disrespected or unloved. All I have asked is a better understanding of the position behind the question. Sishir you clearly stated your position. Whereas we don't agree, I understand your position and that of the homosexual community in general. I have washed the sweaty brow of homosexuals sick in bed with aids, but I have never bashed them. At least not to my memory.
I asked what you were, unless that is complicated too. If so that is fine. I know I was straight. I know that I desired to be with the opposite sex only. And I know that doesn't make me gay or bisexual. I think your sexuality is defined by who you desire to have sex with. You can be a virgin and be gay or straight. That is obvious. And yes, it definitely can be biological. Did you choose which hand to write with? You can train yourself to hit from both sides of the plate but most likely you are only a natural at one. Goodbye.
I recognize that people of the same sex have attractions towards one another. But I also recognize how societal factors and early childhood experience influences how these attractions are processed. Someone who felt a strong attraction to the same gender I would consider might have some very strong gifts of mercy, compassion and love for others. To define love as sex is not wise. I love several men and I have no desire to have sex with them. Desires are difficult passions for men and women and fulfilling our passions in the right way requires a proper self image, clear view of truth, a clear conscience, healthy personal worth/value and an inner freedom void of guilt. Where desires and sexual lusts are not developed in a healthy manner all types of behaviors can be justified by someone in the grip of their own lusts. You did not put me on the spot you asked a very reasonable question. If someone has strong desires at all regardless of the issue they should be directed to fulfill those desires correctly. I have had a strong desire to be lazy all of my life... I am trying to get off the internet at this moment and finish my days work.... thanks for the hard question, I realize I may not be right, but I think it is consistent with my faith and I am being honest.
dont try to impose my post over what sam said. i was asking you to back up your statements and you never did. i figured it was probably that you just missed my post, but i guess not.
why would I have to answer it? I said I was going out on a limb and making a wild guess. Since when do people provide stats and figures for wild limb guesses??
generally when people make blanket statements like you did its nice to see some factual evidence to back it up. do you really believe that most non-religious parents are dissapointed that their child is gay? if so, how do you get to that conclusion. im curious about how you came to that.
I came to that conclusion because even in countries where religion is strongly shunned by the gov't, it is not acceptable to be a homosexual. China is one I can think of and the former Soviet Union also. People have been known to kill each other just because their skin tone is lighter than their victims. Mankind will always be uncomfortable with those who are different from the majority. Religion has nothing to do with it.
this has absolutely nothing to do with your statement that "most non religious households probably have issues with their children being a homosexual". if the only two examples you can provide are repressive communist dictatorships than you are not on very solid ground with your position.
wow. 1) my statement was a wild guess as I said. 2) i stated that people will always shun homosexuality because it is different from the majority, and this has nothing to do with my guess that most non-religious households will have a problem with their child being a homosexual? Ok, then what's your position on it? Do you think non religious households won't have a problem with it?
Why would you think this is true? Relativism is an alleged characteristic of "liberals", whatever that means. Trying to get people who state they believe in absolutes (again, whatever that means) to say where they stand does not refute this.
The only problem was that she asked a question with choices that rhester wasn't 100% positive on what she was asking. if you're going to try to play an absolutist, you've got to at least at least make it clear what the question is. On a side note, don't you think that when someone uses a philosophy that they don't believe in during an argument with someone who did, it does not accomplish anything save for racheting up the intensity factor since it will obviously be a very transparent ploy? I've seen this happen in D&D countless times. EDIT: DOesn't relativism and liberalism go hand in hand? It just seems to me that if you're one, then yo must be the other also.
Not really at all. if you're going to make absolute statements, and, by necessary implication, and more importantly, absolute judgments, then one should be willing to stick to them, in any circumstance. By definition, stating that you believe in absolute right and wrong pretty much opens one up this, and if you retreat from that in any situation, it kind of undermines the concept of "absolute" truth, doesn't it? If you have a problem with this, then you shouldn't speak in terms of absolutes. I don't even know what "liberalism" is, other than a caricature. Same with relativism, though I know it more as an insult than a caricature. The only real relativism I know is a basic law of the universe first articulated by Einstein.
