He's CURED! Haggard is now completely hetero!

The definition of homosexuality is a disposition to have sex with those of the same gender. When someone repeatedly has sex with the same gender and does so at great risk would strike me as meeting the definition. Whether Haggard still is or isn't doesn't change the fact that he did and we can't totally forget that past. I don't see him doing so as a problem and I think if truth is what we are after then I would like to see him own up to the truth.

Nothing about Haggard's behavior I see as wrong, except for that he was married and should honor that. His being judged negatively as a homosexual is as Mad Max pointed out him being judged by the standard he judged others.

 

I thoroughly absolutely think the man is probably one of the most unfit Presidents ever. However that is based on his policies, lack of focus, and general weakness to say no to the Cheney/Rumsfield cabal. If he thinks the gay male hooker is a friend, I'm not going to kill him on that at all. If he's doing something with that hooker that is inappropriate, then I would have a HUGE problem. I know why you consider it hypcritical of him, but I can see where he's coming from. It's part of the whole loving the sinner, hating the sin thing.

see my comment above where I call Bush an absolute incompetent so and so... =)

 

It is just a little arrogant to think we perfectly understand why homosexual acts are committed at all.

Some are so arrogant to say that it is all because we are like animals.
Some claim to know that it is genetic.
Others claim it is simply due to a lack of genuine love and acceptance.
Some believe it is the devil's fault.
Others say it is rooted in a person's parenting and circumstances.

Everyone who decides for themselves what is right and wrong should be worshipped, they think they are far smarter, more loving and upright than God.

 

Why would you ask him this question? How would he know? There are like tens of thousands of peopel from his Church, you want Max to answer for every single one of them?

 

but what about the prison thing? =P cmon Sam, work with me here.

 

I would say the definition of homosexuality is commiting an act of homosexuality.

what's wrong with simple?

The definition of lying is telling a lie.

Why debate whether he did what he has now admitted.

The only debate here is whether he should be faithful to his wife, his faith, his family and live in accordance with his own beliefs. If he is going to profess a Christian faith he should humbly live honestly and gratefully. Honest to admit his faults and sins on his own and grateful that where our sins abound God's grace does much more abound.

If he has repented and trusted in Christ's grace, I am confident he will receive it freely and fully.

That is my prayer for him and his family.

 

You seem absolute in your conviction that homosexual is a cause and not a result.

There is no reason to be dogmatic about that position, you may not be right.

It is arrogant to think you know everything about such a complex issue.

Unless you do.

 

hehe =)

 

Many homosexuals are taught that what they are is wrong. So they try to be something else and even profess that they are something else. That is because are not honest with themselves. He is lying to himself, yes.

He needs to be faithful and true to himself before anyone else. It is impossible otherwise.

So the debate is what would cause a homosexual not to be faithful to himself?

 

This does not come just from religion. Case in example, look at how homosexuality is viewed in countries where religion is shunned by the government like China or the former Soviet Union.

 

lol i dunno if that answers the question fully, but anytime there is a village people reference, it makes for a better thread.

 

Man, we're not even having the same discussion.

I'm saying Haggard can hardly expect mercy from his church when he taught them to condemn homosexuals before. They should show mercy, anyway.

Yes, he's the founder of the church, the first and only pastor. His vision for the church produced the church that might be judging him now. Though I have no idea if they are or if he's being met with love there.

Do I believe my faith leads to broken relationships? My PERSONAL faith or the religion that often masquerades under that name??

 

But in this case it does.

 

A consensual homosexual act is a choice, whether between two people who habitually make that choice or a one time choice. Still a choice. Some choices are addictive, some are habit forming, some are life controlling.

Through a ministry I work with I have met many heterosexuals who once were practicing homosexual lifestyles primarily in the Montrose area of Houston.
I have talked to them, loved them and helped many deal with dying with dignity from Aids. Those who are alive and living the 'heterosexual' life today have no consensual homosexual relationships nor do they have any need for such. They will tell you if you are interested of the choices they made and the choices others made that led to their sexual choices and sexual habits. There was a progression of choices into the homosexual life and choices were made that led them out.

In and out.

I would agree that consensual sex acts between the same sex are homosexual sex acts.

As far as when someone is a homosexual and when someone is not, that is entirely dependent on choices that lead to personal character, habits, addictions, and dependancies.

I was once an alcoholic do to a progression of wrong choices.

I am not an alcoholic anymore. Not even a recovering one. I know many former crack addicts who are completely free of crack, many alcoholics, who are not alcoholics. It is nice to be completely free.

Choices are more powerful than you or I understand and sexual choices have gripping consequences in our lives.

 

In this post maybe, but your previous posts don't. They make a much broader allegation.

 

So before you had sex were you a heterosexual? Are saying for a while in your life you were not a heterosexual?