Question to everyone here. What about men in prison who have sex with other men because of lack of women or rape them to show domination? Do we consider them homosexual also?
i think you are minimizing haggard's standing in the evangelical movement. its not like the guy is fred phelps or anything. he was the PRESIDENT of the national association of evangelicals. this wasnt just some local pastor. and didnt he have a weekley phone conversation w/ the president of the united states, who has also associated himself pretty closely with gay male hookers?
not necessarily. that's my point. and truth is, we have no idea what he's doing with women behind closed doors, as well.
you're misunderstanding the context of my post. he was talking about how members of Haggard's church would judge him. they'd judge him by the very standard he TAUGHT them to judge him by. i'm not suggesting there aren't others who share his views.
factual evidence to back up his claim that "most non religious households probably have issues with their children being a homosexual". i cite dick cheney as a good example. or that guy in the movie heathers - he loved his dead, gay son.
I have no problem with Bush associating with gay male hookers. I don't like the man for many reasons, but him associating with gay male hookers is not an issue in my eyes.
He created the Christian condemnation of homosexuals? You actually believe he came up with it out of thin air? He learned it just as others are learning it now. Do you think these ideas create broken families by putting pressure on homosexuals to live the lives of straight men? I have seen it first hand. I would like these people to admit that they play a part in it. They help create the ones that they condem. It's sad that they don't see that.
Pro Choice on this issue if you tell a lie you are a liar if you tell the truth you are honest if you lied in the past but now tell the truth- you are honest I wouldn't define a person by their past or else you can just call me an alcoholic, drug addicted pervert I only hope this man will be faithful to his wife, his family and his God in the future. I will not beat him down for his past any more than Jesus beat me down for mine.
Well, we are on the subject of "just because there is participation, does that constitute homosexuality?"
does dick cheney attend church? i have no clue. and citing one household as a counter for this is ridiculous. it's entirely antecdotal. i don't have any stats on it. but i can tell you referendums to ban gay marriage keep getting passed across the country. even in conservative hotbeds like OREGON!!!!
Some people here are putting "judgments" with the word "gay". If you have sex with someone of the sex repeatedly then you are either gay or bi. That's just the definition. By stating that "he might not be gay but just have a sexual addiction" is to put a value judgment on the word gay. As if he doesn't fall into the gay category because he just has other issues. Sleep with who ever you want, I don't care nor do I judge you for it but if you sleep with someone of the same sex you are either bi or gay, if we must label.
you're misunderstanding the context of my post. you were talking about how members of Haggard's church would judge him. they'd judge him by the very standard he TAUGHT them to judge him by. as their PASTOR! i'm not suggesting there aren't others who share his views.
wow. i wouldnt have a problem with the president hanging out with gay male hookers either - to each their own. but the president has been pushing an anti-gay agenda at the behest of the evangelicals who helped put him into office, so for him to be associated with gay male hookers is hypocritical at best...not that bush had any credibility to begin with, though. but do you have a problem with the president planting fake reporters in the white house press corp to field the president soft-ball questions? do you have a problem with the guy they planted in there making dozens and dozens of trips to the white house. in this respect, the fact that he is a gay male hooker is a non-issue.
I will agree we don't. We don't know if he's having sex with animals or with corpses either. We know that he has repeatedly had sex with another man and did so secretly at great risk to his reputation while he was publicly preaching that having sex with another man is a sin. That strikes me as a lot to go through to have sex with another man and IMO leads to the conclusion that he has very strong homosexual tendencies. Its possibly he is a sex addict and for whatever reason the only access he has to satisfy that is another man but that seems unlikely as someone as famous as Haggard probably has acess to many women.
no. i'm not. some continue to read in more than is there, though. here's the thing...i've heard commentary from people with sexual addictions. i've read about it. you have people who have sex with men, shutting their eyes and thinking about women during the act. are these people gay? i'm thinking my gay friends would think not...as they wouldn't find it remotely pleasurable to think about women while in a sex act. sexual addiction is rarely about attraction. it's an addiction to the rush of the moment. to the danger and risk of it all. it isn't the way you feel about the girls in the swimsuit issue. it's something else entirely.
You're right, religion shold have no role in America. All it does is create unhappy families. We should ban religion because it has caused so many problems with families. Successful businessmen should also be banned because we have seen countless times how they push their kids to go into a business or school that they don't want to. Asian parents should also be banned from America because every Asian parent I know forces their child to study and do what they think is right. They force the Asian kids to goto schools they don't want to, don't asllow them to stay out late, can't hang with certain people. Liberal parents who give their children the evil eye when they mention Rush Limbaugh should also be banned. Conservative parents who never change the channel and force their kids to watch Foxnews shold also be banned.
Here's what you want me to say, Party Pizza..and I'm happy to say it: religion sucks. religion kills. religion is about rules and orders. my faith is in Christ. i believe the last thing Jesus came to do was to establish yet another religion. i do not believe in condemning masses of people for anything when i've been forgiven of so much.
Who taught him? Is he their first and only Pastor? Do they not read books and the internet? Let me change it to "What members of Haggard's RELIGION would admit to their beliefs being responsible for creating broken families?" Would you?
