What???? I'm not downplaying anything. I'm saying there are alternate possibilities, neither of which will be absolutely closed off. Sexual addiction doesn't seek the prettiest belle of the ball. It seeks the moment. It seeks the excitement and the risk...of crossing boundaries that the person feels shouldn't be crossed. I'm saying that's an alternate explanation for his behavior, which frankly makes every bit as much sense to me as the one that suggests he's been a homosexual his whole life who never really found himself attracted to women to begin with.
You don't think that homosexuals raised in religious households feel pressured to live lives as straight men? Some really try but it goes against their true nature. Then they blame the homosexuals for the broken families etc without looking at themselves. That's exactly what I see here.
I'm going to go out on a limb and take a wild guess that most non religious households probably have issues with their children being a homosexual.
i believe the exact quote was "naw dog, you're on the downlow!" ive brought up that one before. that was the one where i learned about "the downlow" - some black men go out and have sex with each other, but they dont consider themselves gay. ice-t is so wise.
Most? I disagree. I don't know any. Who do you think would be more tolerant? And I think you are dodging the issue. What members of Haggard's church would admit to their beliefs being responsible for creating broken families? People here don't want to.
what about dick cheney? thats a pretty shaky limb you are on. do you have any factual evidence or statistics to back up your claim?
Again I would find that understandable if this had been a once or even twice occurrence but according to the guy involved this happened repeatedly. With all due respect MadMax because I know that you are a tolerent guy this sounds to me like you're seeking to downplay what strikes me as obvious evidence of homosexuality.
Haggard created that church. He's the founder. That's HIS brand of "religion" that condemns and judges people. "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven....for with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." -- Luke 6:37-38 He's being judged by these people in the very manner he doled out judgment for years.
factual evidence to back up the claim that homosexuality isn't widely embraced in families in the United States of America?
I will add that I've heard that in many people there is a range between what can be considered exclusively heterosexual and exclusively homosexual. Haggard might not be on the exclusively homosexual end of the scale but I find it difficult to not accept that he has very strong homosexual tendencies that would drive him to leading such a secret life. I think the idea that he got high one time and had sex with a guy and didn't know what he was doing seems rather thin when it happened more than once.
Well please stop trying to read in what you wish to read in..because I've already told you I'm not downplaying anything. Sorry for pointing out there might be an alternate explanation. It makes very little difference to me, either way.
Well obviously have a better idea than me about middle America, so I'll defer to you on this one. No, I'm doing what is called turning the other cheek. You want to make the assertion that religion is responsible for all these horrid things. Nothing I say on a online forum will dissuade you from thinking that way. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by assuming that my words have that sort of effect. Simply put, I disagree with you, but beyond that, I dont feel the need to add anything else since the best testimony a Christian can give is through his daily living, not his words. You're casting aspersions on people you don't know because it makes you comfortable to think about them that way. Were it me or someone esle doign the same thing about homosexuals, we would be called homophobic.
Not only that but he apparently focused on preaching the word in gay bars and clubs. The guy's gay, and in denial, obviously. I don't really care but I just started this thread because I thought it was funny that a panel of christian wise men got together and deemed him officially heterosexual.
But why, as far as I've heard, is he exclusively acting on his addiction with men? If he was a heterosexual with sexual addiction problem wouldn't he have acted it out with women?
