Yao is the man i Dont care about turnovers as long as we get to the west finals! Thats were we need to go to show improvement and progress as a team and orginazation!!! Just win!!!
Yao will always have higher turnovers than the rest of the team because he touches the ball so much. Look at the top 10 in turnovers, it's guys like Wade, Iverson, Nash, Anthony, Pierce, James, Bryant who rank in there. They do 'risky' moves and passes, and are always in traffic, off course there will be a higher turnover rate. Even the Dream had a high turnover rate (granted he made up for it in other ways, but that's a different argument). But off course lower turnovers = wins. And not to continue taking this thread off tangent but telling yao to go to 16ppg is smoking crack.
I actually agree that our offense becomes too predictable when we dump it into Yao every possession. We need to be able to mix it up, to keep the defenses guessing and prevent them collapsing into the paint all the time. I hope that Tmac and Yao learn to share the offensive load more evenly, and I hope JVG can realize this instead of going for the highest percentage shot every time (which ironically causes higher turnovers and lower offensive efficiency).
Exactly what I am thinking. I would like to see Yao come out the low post from time to time and roam around the FT line while Tmac penetrate and kick out to Yao, then just let Yao shoot the free throw
anyone think we should bring yao off the bench, and rotate the minutes so that 1 of the 2 will always be on the court, but not necessarily at the same time? this would ensure that there is no dropoff in production when tmac or yao sits down. and you would have less overlap in terms of yao and tmac being on the court at the same time, so you would basically see tmac and yao taking turns being a dominant force rather than worrying about one of the two disappearing while the other is on fire. this way they would also be well-rested for the 4th quarter. i dont know, i hope jvg can figure something out.
I think you can propose the idea of trading Yao for Ben Wallace and Gordon, or Caveman and Livingston else, cause you get 16ppg, 10 rb and 2 blocks plus some bonus in another player. Now I somehow feel Bulls and Clippers will pull the trigger in 0.0001 second, wonder why...?
I am just teasing the Tiger guy who said Yao just need to do what Deke does right now and be a 16/10/2 player... Don't know about Clippers, I am pretty sure Bulls are willing to take Yao over their starting 3.
that's not the only reason superstars have high TOs. Superstars have high TOs because they get double teamed....the defenses are geared to stop them. It is easier to strip a superstar when you have 2 guys trying. Plus, the defenses spend entire practices working on stopping them. They know where they like to pass out of double teams. etc. I'm willing to say that well over 50% of Yao's turnovers occur while he is being double teamed. High TOs by superstars is not just because they command the ball. It is because they see many double teams and often attack those double teams.
sorry no edit... also wanted to add that JVG is on record saying he doesn't blame Yao for high TOs; he says that is what generally happens in low post offenses, because defenses aren't just going to let you get point blank shots all game. It is hard to play a low post offense without your team having an overall higher TO rate.
Which proves that turnovers are relative to the player and what else he brings to the court. We don't mind a few turnovers from a guy that is going to create a lot of fouls, get to the FT line, and shoot a substantially high percentage around the hoop, and give us 1.4 points per shot. On the other hand, we can't afford turnovers from a guy that shoots 37% from the field and gives us barely 1 point per shot and is one of the worst finishers in the league. Turnovers are relative. This team will be more effective when Yao returns. What I would like to see happen is for Van Gundy to start moving Yao up to the high post on some possessions, especially when the defense starts clogging up the middle making it hard to get him the ball and hard for the rest of our team to penetrate. Just move Yao up high, let him sink a couple 17 footers and let McGrady and our guards do their thing until the defense has to readjust to stop the perimeter play. Then drop big man back down in the low post that has been softened up and let him go to town again.
Just looking at turnovers per say is ridiculous. What it basically means is that we are giving the opposition more shot attempts ( "probable shot attempts"). If Turnovers lead to a score at the other end- without giving a chance for our defense to set in - then it is a negative. Yao's turnovers are predominantly- offensive fouls and smaller guards knocking off the ball from him. Big men face a tough choice under current rules. What do you have to say about people with less than 40 percent shooting jacking up shots? That is as good if not worse than turnovers. Perhaps the guys who criticize Yao for turnovers should also take a look at the number of shots he changes- no statistics are available for that!
you know, i thought about this one for a bit too, but then i realized that really it kinda happens naturally anyway. yao and tmac's minutes dont coincide minute for minute just bc they start together, so usually during the course of the game at least one of them is in. its rare that both are sitting, and if they are, then its only a few minutes per game. i think the point of having two stars is having the ability to go either inside or out, and having one in while the other sits makes it much much easier for the defense to prepare and execute. i'm hoping jvg finds a way to blend yao and tmac together, rather than our traditional dump it down to yao every single posession tactic...preferrably it'll be a game to game decision as to who we use to attack more, based on the matchups on the floor for that night.
