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Haven Baseball Sim -- What will you give me for Pedro Martinez?

Discussion in 'Fantasy Sports' started by RunninRaven, Sep 19, 2001.

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  1. RunninRaven

    RunninRaven Member
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    I have not entirely convinced myself that I am going to trade Pedro Martinez yet, but at this point I am certainly leaning in that direction. I just think that I need a more balanced attack in my starting pitching, and twice in a row I have been eliminated from the 1st round of the playoffs. Pedro is my best bargaining chip.

    So make me an offer. He is definitely one of the best, if not THE best, pitcher in the league. I won't bother to list his ratings or stats here because I assume everyone knows he is awesome, and if you want to see them you can look them up on my team page.

    All offers will be considered. I am not looking for any one position.
     
    #1 RunninRaven, Sep 19, 2001
  2. haven

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    I'd give you:

    Cristian Parra, future star pitcher who can start next year. He's ready. Excellent talent.

    C. Wang - another future stud starting pitcher in A... won't be ready for another couple years

    Tony Blanco: Stud future starting 3b in A. He's about ready to move up a bit.

    All of these guys are 23 or younger, have the potential to be all-stars, and come at a max of 100k... and that's if you start them this year. All of them for Pedro. Check out their ratings.
     
    #2 haven, Sep 19, 2001
  3. kbm

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    Raven,

    Robert Person: (Soild # 2 pitcher, Above Average # 3 pitcher)
    Lou Pote: (great middle relieve - something you desparately need)
    Top Prospect: (a few are off-limits, but I'm willing to part with a very high prospect.)

    P.S - I might substitute a second round pick for the prospect if you're interested.


    NOTE: since pedro costs so much, we'll need to work out the finances so that I can afford him. As it stands, these players account for 4.5 million - I'd like to get it closer to 10 million, either by adding alex gonzo to the deal or by you coming up with 5 million to add to the deal.
     
    #3 kbm, Sep 20, 2001
  4. Nomar

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    I maybe could work out something with "The Duch". I'm not sure though.
     
    #4 Nomar, Sep 20, 2001
  5. haven

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    Just a note:

    My offer completely blows these away:

    All three of the guys I'm offering are more valuable than either one of the explicit guys kbm is offering, AND come cheaper. THEN kbm would require some sort of financial help. I do not.

    Nomar is talking about POSSIBLY offering ONE minor leaguer for the best pitcher in baseball. Duchsherer is a great prospect. But only one. His duration is poor and he only throws 42% grounders. That's way too low.
     
    #5 haven, Sep 20, 2001
  6. SamCassell

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    Pretty sure of yourself, haven! I'm willing to throw my hat in the ring. I would be willing to offer 2 of these 3: Lieber, Williamson, Hentgen. All 3 very good pitchers at the major-league level. I might also be willing to offer a good prospect.
     
    #6 SamCassell, Sep 20, 2001
  7. RunninRaven

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    At this point I have to say that only Sam has posted an offer that is close to what I am willing to do for Pedro. I have received two other offers through chat that I am considering. I need to think about this a little more. Perhaps after free agency I will have a better idea of whether or not I need to keep Pedro. But it doesn't hurt to keep the offers coming.

    PS. Sammy, if I were to do a deal like you offered, I think I would need you to throw Corey Patterson into the mix.
     
    #7 RunninRaven, Sep 20, 2001
  8. SamCassell

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    Raven, my two top prospects (Patterson and Choi) are pretty much off limits. Otherwise, we can discuss. I would be willing to give you Cameron in lieu of the prospect, if you wanted. I know you need a CF. Send me an email.
     
    #8 SamCassell, Sep 20, 2001
  9. The Cat

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    Raven,

    Do Andy Pettitte and Luke Prokopec interest you at all? I could put both of them in a deal, along with a prospect. Pettitte was 16-7 with a 3.59 ERA. Prokopec had a little higher ERA, but that came mostly courtesy of a bad September. His numbers before that and in the playoffs were much better, and he's just 24 so he'll get better. Let me know if you have interest.
     
    #9 The Cat, Sep 20, 2001
  10. The Cat

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    Also, if you need a CF, remember I have Andruw Jones available, by far the best (defensively) in the business...
     
    #10 The Cat, Sep 20, 2001
  11. SamCassell

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    My last post in this thread (I hate getting into bidding wars). Cat's offer is comparable to mine, assuming Prokapec improves his ERA and Jones recovers from a down season, until you consider salary.

    Pettite-Prokapec-Jones = 23.8 mil in salary
    (2 of Hentgen/Williamson/Lieber)-Cameron = 15 to 17.4 mil.

    Wait until after free agency if you want to, but the pitching out there is very scarce. After Maddux (assuming haven lets him leave), the next best starting pitchers on the market are guys like (37-year-olds) Rick Reed and Kenny Rogers. Yuck.
     
    #11 SamCassell, Sep 20, 2001
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    Sammy,

    I didn't say I'd just throw Jones in either. :) I meant I could work with him, but I consider him too valuable to deal with those two pitchers for Pedro alone.
     
    #12 The Cat, Sep 20, 2001
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    Just to clarify, I do not necessarily need a CF. I still have Steve Finley for a few more seasons. Finley isn't great, but he is a servicable CF. I was interested in Patterson because he looked like he would be perfect to replace Finley when the time came. But Andrew Jones and Cameron don't especially interest me (especially if I have to give up more than Pedro to get Jones).
     
    #13 RunninRaven, Sep 20, 2001
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    (especially if I have to give up more than Pedro to get Jones).

    I didn't mean that at all... I just meant that you'd have to give more if I gave Jones, Pettitte, and Prokopec all three. The talent I'd be giving in that deal is incredible. I'd probably be willing to do Jones, one of those two, and a prospect...

    BTW, Andruw Jones will still be a perfect hit when FInley leaves (he's just 24 :)), and I highly doubt Patterson ever becomes as good as Jones.
     
    #14 The Cat, Sep 20, 2001
  15. Nomar

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    I never said ONLY.

    Duch is 22. The sky's the limit for him.
     
    #15 Nomar, Sep 20, 2001
  16. The Cat

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    Raven,

    Due to my recent trades, I have a lot of starting pitching. Would a deal involving Greg Maddux and then Eric Milton or Paxton Crawford interest you for Pedro and something minor?
     
    #16 The Cat, Sep 21, 2001
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    Sorry, Cat. Maddux is old, and I have no confidence that either Paxton or Milton will become or continue to be good pitchers.
     
    #17 RunninRaven, Sep 21, 2001
  18. The Cat

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    Gotta love the treatment of my pitchers... if they do good, they don't have the ratings to continue, and if they do subpar, apparently they can't turn it around after one bad year. Can't wait until all these guys prove everyone wrong... they will form the best staff in the majors.

    BTW, on topic, I'd also deal Matt Morris and more for Pedro... talk to me about what you'd want, if interested.
     
    #18 The Cat, Sep 21, 2001
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