the board has gone bonkers with him as AWESOME potential Top competitor on the team? you must be joking... he can shoot just fine? what games have you been watching?
How good would Yao appear to be if he got pulled after every turnover or missed open J? Or T-Mac? Like I said, if they are dumb enough to trade him the Suns will probably grab him and we will pay as early as this playoffs.
I heard JVG mention "warrior" and Sura in the same sentence. I never heard him say such a thing about Spanoulis. He hasn't said anything positive about Spanoulis for that matter. How do you reckon that he's in the mold of Sura? He CAN'T shoot. Never has. Have you seen his form?
1 Quite the exaggeration. If V-Mac isn't any good, why is signing him worse than the EG trade and why does this mean CD & Morey overrated him more than any player they ever scouted? Signing V-Mac was low risk proposition and he was a fallback position on what they really wanted to do. We gave up almost nothing to get him here. 2 Sure he's picked on, because he's so hyped on this forum it's ridiculous. Putting him so high on a pedestal invites criticism when he doesn't live up to the billing. 3 On the other hand, some of V-Mac's supporters act as if he's ready for the All-Star game. My exaggeration matches yours. 4 Based on the whole season and not just the last game they played, he hasn't proven to be better than Lucas or more talented than Rafer. He isn't close to Luther right now; not even close. He's got to learn to shoot the ball first and then maybe he will be better then Jacque Vaughn. Comparing him to Sura is just silly. They are completely different players. That is wishful thinking at it's worst. The Clutchfans V-Mac phenomenon lives on.
When has V-Mac been pulled after every TO or missed jumper? Don't you remember how he completely tanked the last few games when he was in the rotation? He had his chance and blew it. The Suns have no use for a guard that can't shoot. At PG, they have Nash, Barbosa & Banks. V-Mac wouldn't sniff the hardwood on that team. Ask Jalen Rose. The Suns wouldn't be "dumb enough" to trade for him.
He doesn't get pulled for every missed shot or turnover. He gets a stretch run in a 30pt blowout, and commits 3-5 turnovers during a 10min span, while it would take Rafer 48min to do the same. That's not gonna earn minutes. His preseason numbers were atrocious. In one game he picked up 6 fouls in 20min. In another game he had 8 TO in 29min. All this against preseason scrubs. How can he be our best competitor when he only plays 10min a game for the obvious reasons I just mentioned.
Perhaps that's where the problem is. Calling him V-Mac in the first place. I don't mean to turn this into a race issue, but people are so desperate for the next white superstar, the next Larry Bird, that they overlook all their deficiencies. I live in Orlando. The same phenomenon is going on here, about why Brian Hill does not play JJ Redick. JJ Redick for as great a shooter as he is, doesn't do anything else. People are booing Pat Garrity who was once a cult hero here in Orlando with Tmac. It just shows how great Tmac is. He turned a player who never gets off the bench now into the third option for the Magic back then
I thought he called himself the McGrady of his old team. We are just playing along with that name. Nothing to do with race.
The only issue to me is if the Rockets mislead Vspan about his role when they were talking him into coming over here.
In summary- you have to suck the Coach's Kahunas. The justification that the Coach has to keep a job- is kind of silly. It means this is more about the Coach's job than about logical decision making. Coache's can develop tunnel vision too!
The V-Mac obsession ABSOLUTELY has to do with race. Let's see here... JL3 - hometown guy; proven Div. 1a college star; Rockets lineage; great attitude; has performed MUCH better than V-Mac when given the chance V-Mac - foreigner; decent Euro star with one marquee game in international competition; TERRIBLE attitude; has been atrocious with the Rockets JL3 (and Rafer for that matter) is villified by the VSOFs on this board with absolutely no justification. They magnify his every mistake, while at the same time making inane excuses for V-Mac's failures. Maybe there are just a lot of Greeks and Greek-Americans on the BBS. I doubt it. This whole phenomenon reeks of racism.
Ill say it flatout that statement is over-simplified bullcrap. I cant speak for the ones that regularly fry Rafer for his mistakes since Im ok with him, but for you to automatically assume that most of this board is racist is a most serious accusation. I certainly hope you can back up that crap that just issued forth from your fingers. Cause I dont take lightly being accused of racism and I will hound you till you leave this board in disgrace..you may rest assured of that.
Wow, talk about insecurity. When did I ever mention the word racism? I simply said that NBA fans are constantly looking for the next great white hope. How did you turn that into a racist accusation? That's your interpretation. That's not what I said.
Did I call you a racist? Did I call anybody specifically a racist? I think your response is oversimplified bullcrap. Why is V-Span so loved here and JL3 so hated? It makes no sense. I'm not saying that people actively think that JL3 sucks because he's black, but there is no doubt in my mind that latent racist tendancies are a big reason for the stated phenomenon. Racism exists. Maybe you choose not to see it, but it certainly is there. Go ahead and hound me but I assure you I will continue to stand by my opinion. If you think you're pissed, I'm more pissed. I hate racism, and I hate it when people pretend that it isn't there.
Identifying with your own race is not racism. Hating people of other races is racism. I never commented on John Lucas and I certainly didn't use the word racism. One more thing. When I made that point, I wasn't trying to explain why we call him Vmac. I just branched off to a different topic. BTW, I am European myself. Born in Europe and I lived in Greece, so I like Spanoulis and I hope he does great, I am just being realistic. He can't shoot the ball, therefore he can't help the Rockets. I think he would do great with a team like the Nuggets. I think his value could be best used in a trade where he brings us something we can use in return.
I was merely extrapolating on your comment about everybody looking for the next "white hope." Favoring one player over another because of race is racism, any way you cut it.
If that's your definition of racism, then you certianly have a point. I think it's ony natural that people identify with their peers.
Race has nothing to do with whom one's peers are. The entire notion of race is a social construct. The fact that someone even sees a difference between a white player and a black one beyond their actual play on the court is proof of racists tendancies. Think about it this way: if there were a Japanese player on the Rockets who was every bit the player as Yao is, I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese fans favored Yao over the Japanese player. Though most Americans don't see a real difference between Chinese and Japanese people, Asians certainly do. That is an example of a racial predisposition that Asians have that most Americans don't. Americans do, however, have racial predispositions about blacks and whites. This is due to a long and complicated history of racialization in America. In other words, identifying someone who is white as your peer as opposed to someone who is black is the ESSENCE of racism. I'm not saying that anybody here is "a racist," and I'm sorry if anybody took it that way. I do think, however, that all of us (myself included) have racist tendancies that manifest themselves in situations like the V-Mac/JL3 one. It is important to recognize these tendancies and, yes, call people out on them.
That has to be the biggest bunch of crap I have ever read on this board. You man not be a moron but this is the most moronic post I have seen in a long time. Well done sir, now take your dunce cap and hit the corner. This is a ROCKETS board, and people would root for ANYONE that would make this team better......it has nothing to do with race..... JL3 has played ok, but hardly distinguished himself, and he is a terrible PG....he is more of a severly undersized 2 guard.....which I like as a change of pace off the bench..Earl Boykins style.... People like V-Mac because of his passing and ability to set the table so that his teamates can eat......he is the most creative passer on the team....behind Tmac of course. Just mind boggling the leaps of lunacy that some people take.....wow ! DD
