Lucas having this bad game is not gonna earn Vspan his minutes if he's not taking advantage of it. Last night the respective efficiency of Lucas and Vspan were -1 and 0. That means both players gave negative to no production. Such a small difference is not really gonna put you ahead of someone who is already in front of you in the rotation. The last sentence makes sense, JL3 is there for a scoring punch. But I don't see Vspan as a primary backup PG. Luther Head is the primary backup PG and T-Mac assumes a point forward position in the event of Head in the game. This Vspan love is insane. I just don't know what you guys see in him. He's not Ginobili, he's not Tony Parker. He's a high risk, no reward player as of now. At least for everytime Ginobili does something stupid on the court he makes up for it with a big play later on. Vspan has an avg eff of 1.6 to Lucas 3.04. Vspan played in 20 games and Lucas played in 24. Vspan is avg 9.5 min per game and Lucas 9.0 Vspan has a total of 189min to Lucas 217min Both have earned roughly the same playing time.
Man this board bashes the crap out of Lucas but he is always better than V-Span when he's on the floor. Sure he shot 1-7 last night be everyone is defending V-Span by saying Rafer shot poorly to start. If Lucas had shot 3-7 it would have been a decent night and he was playing with the scrubs too. Heck you try and get an assist by passing to V-Span... it ain't gonna happen. Here are some of the kinds of numbers that morley looks at and they make Lucas look pretty good. http://www.82games.com/0607/0607HOU.HTM
Massaged stats like these can only be taken with large grains of salt. Based on +/- stats, Yao is only worthy of a bench player. And if you look at Roland rating, Juwan doesn't even belong to bench, he should be in NBDL.
We are winning without V-Span so we don't need him. He hasn't earned the time. The guy can't play at the NBA level yet. We have seen that proven against other team's scrubs, and lesser players in the league. Despite going up against those guys V-Span can't produce. turns the ball over, doesn't pass all that well, gets burned on defense, and can't shoot. We've seen the evidence. V-Span has shown flashes, so we know he has potential. He will just have to develop that potential. He has had a shot, and he has shown that he doesn't deserve anymore of a shot than what he is getting right now. When Chuck Hayes was only getting limited minutes, he made them count. That is how you show you deserve more time.
Large grains of salt - or just context. Yao's raw, unadjusted +/- used to be the very highest on the team. The only reason why it's dropped recently is because the rockets have been winning wih him out so his "Minus" rating declines (or increases, rather) (tracy meanwhile shoots up to the top of the charts) His Roland Rating (probably the best measure) still leads the team. Howard's Roland Rating is not that bad, only -4.0. That's WAY better than last year, and that has improved vastly over the last month where he was at -10 or somethng beforehand.
I didn't watch the game to the bitter end, but did see Lucas play so badly and V-Mac wasn't much better. I do think the TO by V-Mac was Hayes fault, Hayes often has hands of stone, but I liked the pass from Span. Neither of them deserves playing time right now. That's kind of sad, because Luther looks lost at point, but he is probably a better option than either of these guys. I did see Novak hustling down the court and breaking up a fast break. I saw him getting open looks from 3 and I also saw him ignored while open by Lucas, like Rafer ignores a posted up Yao sometimes.
It seems that Spanoulis feels the pressure from all the high expectations that himself and many other people have and that's having a negative impact on his game. He needs to let the game come to him... First play good D and secure his passes... Work hard in practices and change his mindset... Right now he looks disappointed that he plays minimal time but he should believe in himself and work his way into the rotation. He should be proud of being a part of this team, it's a good opportunity for him to play at the highest level and he should grab it. A grumby attitude will get him nowhere.
I totally agree, IT IS JL3 WHO WAS SUCKING LAST NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And he is always looking bad. A poor sg heart in a even undersized pg body. jvg had been unhappy before putting poor vspan in, although vspan didn't grasp this good opportunity. Kick out JL3 and still give vspan time!!!!!
You know, if VSpan and JLIII are going to play together in garbage time, why not run VSpan at his more natural position and JLIII at his more natural position, instead of making both players do the opposite of what they are naturally best at? That would be like asking Luther to bring the ball up and Rafer to play the 2 guard. Don't make no sense.
Lucas was shooting ABOVE 40% before the game, which is not bad compared to FG % by our PG's. You just want to complain about something. Its like you posting that we should draft Reddick a thousand times. Get it through your head - V-Span will ride the pine this yr, unless injuries occur (knock on wood).
The fact that JL3 sucked last night doesn't make V-Span somehow better. The truth is that JL3 has contributed and helped this team earlier when given minutes. V-Span has yet to show that he can do that.
Actually they both have contributed about the same..... V-Span was great against Washington earlier and JL3 has had his moments too. Not enough shown by either one of them to crack the rotation on a consistent basis though, and that is saying a lot considering how badly Rafer shoots. DD
Trade him for JJ Reddick. I think he has the spot up shooter thing down. Not much else but... Maybe VSpan would be better suited for Orlando???
I bet this is exactly what JVG is thinking. From day 1, Vspan never sold himself as a PG to JVG. Maybe because the Euro style of play, Vspan doesnt show that kind of ball handling typical for an NBA PG.
Why don't I see you posting that JL3 should get more time to develop and grow into the player he can be? JL3 IMO has more potential to be a quality contributer than V-Span, especially on this Rockets team. He can handle the ball, he can keep his TO's down and he is the best shooting PG on the team (though last night it was hard to tell). The passing/chemistry within the offense is the one thing that will definitely come with playing time in the system. The things that V-Span does or doesn't do like shooting poorly or having the ability to handle the ball and start the offense without turnovers don't necesarily improve with playing time. One highlight pass is never worth 2 turnovers and right now V-Span has about a 1 highlight pass to 10 turnover ratio. Consistancy and control over highlights and flash.
Vassilis Spanoulis but this is a question we will all be asking ourselves in two years when he is out of the league cause he sucks.
