i can't believe someone would ask this. if u ask anybody from other cities no one would even know who half of our bench players are. this reply is the best.
Laugh all you want. Are you saying no one knows who Deke is? or Bonzi is or Juwan Howard is? Other teams sure by now would noticed Luther Head's cltuch 3pt shooting too. BTW, your claim applies to Mavs bench -- there are a bunch of unknown players on Mavs bench too.
your analysis is incomplete. you are comparing juwan to stackhouse.... at the power forward spot (because yao will come back, and prolly hayes to starting line up), right now hayes is the back up PF. so first off, stackhouse >>> hayes but also stackhouse >> joward also, you look at all their bench as individuals, but when put together, they play with more intensity than the rockets bench together. i think that it is hard to compare the benches together, because there are many coaching differences. they are definatley much more championship-caliber in the 4 spot. undeniabley. josh howard is insane this year. they create their own shots, we rely on a point or tmac. and quite frankly, although rafer is a decent pg, we have nothing better, which i think is what we must improve on... where is chucky? rafer slips to back up pg, we might contest bench-wise.
it all goes down on heart. no matter how deep, shallow or whatever your team is. if you have the heart of a lion, you'll win it all!
No, our bench is not even close to what Mavs have. Dont compare, Dallas probably has the deepest bench in the league.
I ordered them by the minutes they played. If you read what I explained above this stats. I think Bonzi is the one should be compared to Stack, and I think Bonzi is better than him. Deke is going to be a starter on Mavs' team above both of their centers. Juwan will be an upgrade over Croesher, their current back up at 4. Luther will get plenty of time on Mavs too because of his 3pt shooting and hustle .
Again, compare the 4 bench players with most playing time on each team. On Rockets: Deke, Bonzi, Juwan (I am talking about when Yao is back), and Head. On Mavs: Dampier, Stack, Devean George, Greg Buckner There is NOT that much difference here.
Well, then we are comparing primary rotation not bench. Still, Those Dallas 4 guys are better IMO. How old is Damp and how old is Deke. Bonzi and Stack is a push, based on Bonzi's performance so far in this season. The other two are different players with valuable skill sets to complement Dallas starting lineup. We can really compare them with Juwan and Head.
Bonzi and Stack is a push? I guess we should ask Spurs about that. If Deke is on Mavs right now, he will be the starter, older or not. Head's 3pt will be on the watch list of the opposing team. The front court of Deke+Juwan has proven its value so far, hasn't it?
besides stackhouse none of those players are anything special......at least not more special than our bench
It may be alarming to some of you but the Rockets statistically have the 2nd worst bench from a productivity and efficiency standpoint being only ahead of the Washington Wizzards. The Wizzards have the best record in the Eastern conference and we all know the Rockets have the best defense in the NBA and could easily have a higher seeding with a healthy Yao which ironically downplays the importance of a team's bench with relation to wins and in the playoffs most coaches use their bench a lot less, with the few players that come off the bench being very integral to the team's success and the flow of the games being played. I don't think the total productivity of a team's bench is as important as players 6-9 and especially in the playoffs. So in conclusion, one would have to look at the first 3 players off the Rocks and Mav's bench and their impact to their respective teams more than the overall bench IMO. The stats bare this out from an overall bench perspective in terms of productivity. "Some people fall in love and touch the sky....Some people fall in love and find...... quicksand. I always thought our love was somewhere in between, I swear. I can't make up my mind...." Incubus
You have to take into account that alot of our bench has actually started because of injuries. And statistically we had a long stretch where our starters had the best statistical output of the league (based on point differential).
stroker I would love to see your stats and hear the source they came from. Using 82games.com and the Roland ratings on the following guys: Mavs stack/george/buckner/diop (much less time than Damp) total roland is -22.5 or an avg of -5.6 Rockets deke/bonzi/juwan-hayes avg/head is -3 or avg of -.75 or considerably higher than Mavs. Substitute Damp for diop and they shoot up to -8.2 or an avg of -2 +/- wins and losses by player shows the Rockets with an advantage again just eyeballing it. But I do agree our guys lack the experience that the Mavs bench has. Stack is a handful when healthy. Bonzi is just getting into game shape and I would hope by April our bench would be consistent and showing some good numbers. Anyone got a better take on the roland ratings?
Rich, that's some excellent data. But I don't agree you about the lack experience part -- maybe more of lack of chemistry? BTW, this may be another proof that Yao is so critical to this team (just like TMac). With him and Tmac, this team becomes a well oiled machine.
we clearly lack offense in our team overall. as great as bonzi is posting up, he is a turnover machine on the offensive end. if he changed that oart of his game, he'll be much more effective. As to luther, he need to regain his shooting touch like when he was using the synthetic ball. As long as that happens and we stay healthy, we'll be fine. and oh, we need to find a capable backup PG. one that can pick up the slack when alston suks, which happens very often.
Um they have that bench number because of injuries and bonzi's tumultuous season period. Keep in mind Deke will be on the bench in playoff time, and Bonzi is rounding into form. It's also possible howard is on there. Bonzi Wells playing like he can immediately makes the rockets bench way better than that ranking. If howard goes back to that role, it's a very productive bench.
