Don't get me wrong, neither do I, but this team needs to fix the PG issues and not look for the solution through volume.
The difference is the coach is telling rafer to keep shooting. And, if what you say is true, do you think that it's a good thing that atkins is taking more heavily contested threes "on average"? Contested three point shots should only be taken if 1.)Your a superstar scorer 2.)You're Peja/Nash/etc. 3.)There's a couple seconds left on the clock. So which one was chucky atkins, assuming what you believe in is true? And not that it matters when tmac is in the game, but I believe that rafer can run the team alot better atkins. The point is both compared to other pgs suck, but if you put them side by side, rafer gets the edge.
You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say any of that. I just said Chucky takes more contested threes, not that he shouldn't.
NO TO MJ, NO TO CHUCKY AND DEFINITELY NO TO STEVIe. DAng people, we are 7-2 without Yao and Bonzi. Are you not satisfited, are you not entertained?
Atkins is more of a PG than Francis, less of a chemistry question, and has a better health track record of late. I'd consider Francis as a FA if he were available for the cheap, but if we can get Atkins by all means we should not hesitate on the possibility of landing Francis. Rafer and Atkins can nail down our PG rotation for the playoffs. Doesn't solve our long term solutation, but we are trying to win this year and the next and maybe the year after, and Atkins could be a key part of most of that.
5'11" 180 pounds. Chucky's stats Somehow I don't get goose bumps when talking about acquiring Chucky Atkins...his stats are not appreciably better than Rafer's at this point. We would be even smaller at the PG position. I am not saying that he would not be an upgrade, but I would not break the bank for him. I would wait to see what happens with Francis first as well. DD
Atkins was a Rocket Killer with the Majic!!! I hated playing him and that cast of characters for years...
An Alston/Atkins combo wouldn't be bad. The odds of both guys being awful on the same night is pretty low. Also, I think Atkins would flourish playing alongside Yao and Tmac. His shooting % would likely go up with all the open looks. He is a "big" 5'11" and is much stronger than Alston or JL3. Bring him on if all we have to give up is Sura's Contract.
Nope, you are wrong. There is a reason why certain teams are assigned to the NBDL teams throughout the league. They can send their own players to their NBDL team and still keep their rights. That's the whole purpose for the D-League. So that teams can have a minor league-like system for the NBA. Anyways, If we are looking for a PG, I rather have Steve Francis. He already knows the JVG system, so he can come in and fit right away. Are defense at PG would be upraded because Steve is stronger which helps to be the better defender than the other PGs. Atkins can shoot, but he has no D and little penetration skills.
I can't see why we should be excited about acquiring Atkins. This guy shoots 3s at a worse percentage than Rafer! And he's another tiny shoot-first guard with no defense. I'd rather stick with JLIII at this point.
Atkins has a much better A/TO record than Francis over his career and Atkins can play more off the ball. What we have always known about Francis is he is largely an SG in a 6'3 body. We already have Luther Head as an undersized 2 with handles and TO issues if plugged in at the point, and Luther is a better 3 point shooter and more off the ball player than Francis. Also, remember Francis hasn't been healthy (very sporadic play the last 2 years) and has chemistry issues. I think Francis is probably a better option than JL3 or VSpan, but not over a vet NBA PG with 3 range and in game shape like Atkins. One of Atkins best years was playing alongside Kobe Bryant. I think he would really work well with Tmac. Quick with the ball and safely gets the ball up court, but also very effective off the ball in 3 point space and other spots on the floor. Basically more efficient than Rafer shooting (Atkins is solid at 3 over his career, and MUCH better at the line, midrange and drive than Rafer) and much safer with the ball than Head. And again on scoring efficiency--Rafer is at 1.02 points per shot on a team with Yao and Tmac, Atkins is at 1.32 on a terrible Grizzlie team. Look beyond just the 3%--which Atkins actually is a notch higher on his career. Once you start factoring in mid range shooting, drives, FT attempts and FT coversion--Atkins is a far more efficient offensive player. Basically the one shooting ability Rafer is marginally efficient at, 3 point shooting, just pretty much the same as Atkins, who has far more offensive strengths. Finally, if I have a small lead and closing a game in the playoffs (need handles, experience, FT shooting, clutchness) I'd be more comfortable the the rock in Atkins hands than Rafer, Head, JL3, VSpan, Francis, etc, and at times Tmac will need help, be tired, and this burden can't just fall on him.
The more I think about it, the more I feel we would be moving JL3 to get Chucky. West wouldn't trade us an expiring contract for a TE without a little something. Then take into account the "style of play" that Memphis is going with right now. That fast up and down game. Does that suit a certain pg? Maybe JL3? Fits him to a "t". Remember Phoenix was after him this offseason too. However, JL3's cap number is 700K. Atkins is 3M. And we can't combine the Trade Exception. So there is going to have to be some other minor players involved. Trade Atkins for our TE and then JL3 for someone off the Grizz roster like Lawrence Roberts or someone like that to match salaries. Or route him somewhere else to a 3rd team and get back a minor TE.
Doesn't Mike James have a trade "Kicka" as he would put it. I specifically remember him saying the Rockets wouldn't give him a Trade Kicka. Please stop all of the Mike James talk to Houston. He is not a winner when given extended minutes. There is a reason why Toronto gave him the boot. And there is a reason why Minnesota is hovering around .500. Also, he is shooting under 34% from 3pt. land.
Deuce - Your understanding of the trade exception isn't quite right. You can't combine the trade exception with a player to take back a salary bigger the the TE. A player with a smaller salary than the exception can be attached, it just takes away the amount of the exception Memphis would get in return. If it helps, think of it as the trade exception for Atkins. Memphis would then have an exception equal to Atkins salary, which could easily fit JL3. And I agree - I don't see us with 2 tiny guards (JL3, Atkins) when the starter isn't all that big to begin with.
... you said And i asked[ You want him on this team. My point was that your reason for them having the same percentage isn't a good thing for the team. If you just forget about that, then their percentages are in the same ballpark.
Right now, we have two pieces of, essentially, dead wood on this roster - Sura and Padgett. I would really rather not give up JL3.. he has played quite well. He gets to the rack, he can actually hit his little floaters, and he is lightning fast. Plus the Houston ties would make it very difficult for this organization to move him for a player who is both a lot older and not appreciably better than he is. So, that said, would Padgett have any value to Memphis? They already have DS and Lowry anyway, so what would be the point of sending JL3 there? At least Padgett might be able to contribute something for them. They don't have any 4's on the roster who can shoot from long distance. I would not mind giving up a 2nd rnd pick for a stable vet pg like CA though. So what about a larger deal that involves more players? Such as Sura, Padgett and a 2nd rounder for CA and Alexander Johnson, Roberts or maybe Cardinal? Use the TE in whatever way it would work to make it work. Don't have any idea what those guys' salaries are, just throwing some names. I suspect Cardinal makes too much, but Roberts and Johnson are on rookie deals. Heck, I thought the Rox were seriously interested in Johnson before the draft anyway - this might be a good way to get the guy without having to give up too much. Plus, he might be able to help inside, to give Deke some rest before we wear him out.
Gosh Dammit! Slap my ass and call me Carol Dawson. I can't wait to get my crap taken care of and start working as a basketball scout. Mark my words, I will be running a damn team one of these days. http://bbs.clutchfans.com/showthread.php?t=122013&page=4&pp=20&highlight=Chucky+Atkins I mean, I'm sure the Rockets had Chucky Atkins on their radar before I did, but I was absolutely certain it was either him or Tyronne Lue that the Rockets would acquire, if they decided to acquire someone. see post #74 of that page
