i was rooting hard against troy smith so he'd fall to the texans in the 2nd. now we have a legitimate shot at that if we want it..
Most of Jamarcus's draft position will be based on how great his potential is. There is no QB if football with his size, mobility, and arm strength. BTW he still had the 3rd highest QB rating in college football above both Brady Quinn and system QB Kevin Kolb.
no, of course; but it's the only number you cited as evidence of his season being average; it's the number you used to try and trump 30/5 and 167.87. here, right here - this is what you said: so, again, when did yardage become even a remote factor in measuring a QB's production? besides, are you aware leinart only averaged 40 more yards a game the year he won it? was he average that year? neither here, nor there - point is, here are smith's TD/INT totals/averages, as well as yards per attempt and yards per completion against the last three heisman-winning QBs: smith: 30/5 [2.50/.42 a game]; 8.4/12.6 leinart: 28/6 [2.33/.50]; 7.9/11.9 white: 40/8 [3.08/.62]; 9.0/14.1 palmer: 32/10 [2.67/.83]; 7.9/12.6 so smith's production was comparable to (and in some cases, better than) recent winners. and his QB rating was, iirc, higher than all three. so i'm not sure how you could qualify his season as "average" - because he threw 100-150 fewer passes? or maybe all 4 guys were average? stop right there - it wasn't. they were 12-0. well, yeah - except for troy smith... not a single word of this has anything to do with the heisman trophy.
eh... i'm willing to give troy smith every benefit of the doubt, but watching him struggle as the line play collpased around him and some of the decisions he made when flustered... i know, i know - it was one game, but picturing him behind the texans' line... poor kid; i don't know how, if you're a GM, you wash the taste of last night out of your mouth. i know he'll go to the combine and be given every chance to erase it from our memories, but... it's one thing to struggle; he looked like he had never played the game before. last night may have cost him millions.
Yes. And I repeated that it is a critical factor. What's your point? So you don't think yardage matters at all? It's not even a remote factor? Tomlinson must be the best QB in football then! 3 passes, 2 TDs! Yes, and his yardage totals are FAR worse - 1000 yards or less in most cases. He wouldn't have even been a Heisman finalist most years, and wouldn't have won it ANY other year for the last decade. Only if you ignore total production, which I don't. Thus the "if" and the discussion of how he wouldn't win it in other years. Since we are not in other years, that whole discussion was theoretical. I assumed that was obvious. No, I don't think he was outstanding. I think his team was, and he was a very efficient caretaker on a team that was dominated by defense and a strong running game. Wow, really? Thanks for pointing out that a paragraph about NFL prospects has nothing to do with the Heisman. What's your point? This originally started as a discussion on me suggesting that this year is a weak year for NFL QB's and simply mentioning a Heisman winner in said discussion. You're the one that got obsessed with me calling Troy Smith's stats "average".
draft the best player available at the 8 pick regardless of position, be sure he will be an all pro and an impact playmaker.
It's funny, I was rooting for him to play just bad enough to where he would fall to us in the 2nd or 3rd round. But I didn't want him to play THAT bad. Hell, I'm not sure I'd use a 3rd round pick on him after that game last night. You're right, it's sad for him. A whole season of greatness erased in an hour or two. I wonder how low he will fall.
Look for the Texans to draft Best player/need in the first 2 rounds and then grab a QB in round 3, I don't think there is any doubt that they will be bringing in someone to push Carr for the spot. I think Carr will be given the opportunity to win the QB spot next year, but I don't think it is a given he will be the starter. with all that said, I wish we could get JaMarcus Russell, that cat can throw!
it's not a critical factor - THAT'S my point. what other "critical factors" rendered his season "average"? it remains the only one you've cited. his average per pass was on par with leinart's, white's and palmer's. given 80, 117, or 161 more attempts and his total would have been commiserate with those three. so, unless your argument is that he threw fewer times because he was only an average QB and the team couldn't risk him putting the ball in the air... i don't see how every other statistic can be trumped by total yardage. but based on several factors, namely his efficiency, we know that's not true. so he was average because the team spread the ball around and had multiple options? he's average because he played with one of the nation's best return men, which often meant good-to-excellent field position? he was average because OSU tied for second in interceptions and fifth in takeaways, drastically shortening his field? irrelevant; he may have been an "average" heisman trophy winner compared to guys like charlie ward or andre ware, but his numbers were not average. again, they were commiserate with, and sometimes better than the last three heisman-winning QBs. major, with all due respect, you're the only one here ignoring anything, namely ALL of his production, minus total yards, of course. which other stat of his was "average?" his 30 TDs? his 5 INTs? his 167.87 passer rating? his 67% completion rate? his 12.6 yards per completion? the 12 wins? major, he accounted for very nearly half of that outstanding team's scoring this year. no one on the team scored more than 15 TDs; he had 31. his yardage total represented 56% of the team's total. no, he was the best player on the nation's best team. also, FYI, remove smith's rushing totals from OSU and they fall to 36th in the nation in rushing. their passing rank? 33rd. no, major, what's YOUR point. mine is that he's not average; yours, apparently, is that because of total yardage, a hypothetical scenario in which OSU lost twice and pro prospects, he is. and come on - you made the claim; i've attempted to refute it fairly; i didn't get personal and i stuck to the facts as much as possible. don't you think i deserve better than having you dismiss this, and me, by calling me "obsessed"?
well, he was a borderline prospect, anyway, given his height. that's why last night was so damaging. a bigger, more "prototypical" QB could probably absorb such a performance... my guess is day 2...? maybe day 1 if, say, cleveland reaches for him... man, i mean - wow. he was awful last night. you know, even when a team breaks down like OSU did last night, usually the good players can rise above it - not necessarily play great, but they can separate themselves from the team. but i'd be hard-pressed to desiginate one being any worse than the other last night. his throws were terrible; his reads awful; his awareness minimal.... honestly? it looked - LOOKED - like a guy throwing the game; that's how bad he was.
Reggie Nelson S Florida or LaRon Landry S LSU PLEASE continue to build the defense! And we could use the "speed of the SEC" in the secondary.
run and gun offense. Kolb = Shotgun QB. Shotgun QBs USUALLY dont do well in the NFL. Imo Kolb = less mobile David Carr
Its statements like this that make it really easy to know who has actually paid attention to kolb's career and who hasnt.
But it's not a run and gun offense UH runs a lot of short screens and slant routes (a la Florida), relying on accurate throws and receiver speed to rack up yardage. Kolb can (and does) throw over the top with great success, but it's not the centerpiece of the offense. UH isn't in the Jenkins days anymore. Our offense is much more balanced, and most of our plays from scrimmage were runs.
Well, you did say usually. I think Kolb will be a good NFL quarterback. He's smart, poise, and I don't think he'll have a hard time learning a new system. I think he'll be good to go after holding the clipboard for a while.
Less mobile? Ask Southern Mississippi how slow he was on that 49 yd conference game clincher? There were more than a few joke straps dropped on that play alone.
Run and Gun? Wrong again. That offense doesnt not even half resemble the chuck and duck, run and boot, scratch and sniff ... whatever. Like DMost has in his sig, 68% completion percentage, 31 TDs, 4 Ints and BTW, 10-3 record. Do not even remotely try to compare Carr's game to Kolb's because that comparison is futile. Sorry but, you need to watch UH since June Jones days to render an intelligent forum on this. Do your homework before putting your proverbial foot in your mouth.
