It disgusts me to say 80% of the Australian population supported the governments decision to turn away a boat load of Afgani refugees
Mario Lopez Olacireegui, has gone on record saying he is not concerned about the Taliban's human rights violations. "We are just an oil and gas company," he says. "We are not bothered by human rights or politics." Do we get to kill him too when we retaliate? Please. So wait, we and the international community had to wait for this tragedy and for them to still harbor Bin Laden before we got mad enough for action. While understanding this is a very simplistic statement, why the hell haven't they been taken out before now. I mean I knew things were horrific under the Taliban, but this was worse than I thought and this was 3 years ago and I imagined it has worsened. I now have no qualms about severely attacking them and ousting them, whether they are complicit in keeping bin laden from us or not. **** they can't even keep a straight face when you ask them if there motives are true to Islam. Just a little venting I had to do.
That is the saddest, most disgusting this I have ever read in my life. I hope the Taliban is behind bin Laden so we can blow them off the face of the planet.
That is an unbelievable article. I wish that somehow we could show these people the freedom we have in America, and surely their revolt would be so strong the Taliban would be eradicated.
Ven, Exactly what I have been saying. All these people on this board who say we should not interfere with their governments, as they are what the people want...blah..blah..blah. I do not see ONE single Iraqie or Iranian or Afgahn person that has integrated into our society, itching to get home to the motherland? Why? Because the is a much better way of living, period. DaDakota
My god, why haven't we heard about this before and did something about it!? Why does it take Americans getting murdered before the media and the government say "Oh by the way people are getting tortured, maimed, and starved to death overseas!" No wonder they're coming to Australia and America on freaking rafts. How can these sick bastards who are doing this not see that they're hurting their own people? They're driving their own people to the United States. I was looking at the news last night and they were talking to a woman who had been an American citizen for 5 months. They asked her if she was scared after this attack, and she said no, because she loves this country, and respect this country and never wants to leave. Even after this disaster she had a happ-go-lucky, proud and in awe look at the United States. She had only been in the U.S. for 5 months and she was as American as any of us, and she loved the country. That's what these freaks are denying their people, and I wish there were a way to force to them to stop doing that, or to bring the victims over here.
Fun Fact: The Women Suicide Rate in Afghanistan is over 25% 25% FR%*$&%*&$*#ING PERCENT! Its so Ironic that the Taliban does this on the Basis of Religion when in reality like most religious institutions or governments they just use it to keep the population under their thumb. Islam was the first to give women the right to vote and the right of inheretance. These people are ignorant fools. Good Riddance. And by the way they have a public statement stating that Osama bin Laden is free to be in Afghanistan and that he is a champion. They have already agreed to turn him over to an Islamic Court which just shows they are Sweating..... That country is going to look like paste when we get through with it....
Did every one of you believe we should all-out invade Bosnia? How about Somalia? And Rwanda? The atrocities by the leaders in all of those countries - and dozens of others - are just as bad as, if not worse than, the Taliban. Do we now go in and invade every country that violates human rights? How about <B>China</B>?
Well, we did take action is Bosnia, and I do think it was the right thing to do. We did take action in Somalia, and although it turned into a cluster****, I do think it was the right thing to do. And we probably should have intervened in Rwanda, even though we didn't have strategic interests there, because we could have prevented (maybe) that horrible slaughter. I'm not sure I want to put troops into Afghanistan since occupation (Soviets) has already failed miserably. And I'm not sure how we could do any better, and I'm sure we couldn't be as ruthless as the Soviets were (or that we'd want to be). I KNOW no one wants to get involved invading China (as if it were possible), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't bring pressure to bear on the PRC.
shanna -- I'm convinced your job here on these boards is merely to play devil's advocate. You take the majority view and flip it on its head, desiring to show us how smart you are because you don't fall with the "ignorant masses." Yes...the next time China supports men who ram planes through our office towers, we should wipe them off the freaking face of the earth. The next time Bosnia tries that crap, we should do the same. I do not discriminate. The Taliban is flat out evil...annihiliate it. good day. (waiting anxiously for the response about how i'm just another ignorant american)
What has happened in Afghanastan is typical of what happens in countries that have suffered great loss at the hands of a bloody war. That is why Hitler, Pol Pot, Hussein, and the Taliban have been able to gain control. The country is desperate, they play off of fears and emotions. As always, no matter what, the people suffer. Whether it be at the hands of foreigners or the hands of their rulers.
<B>You take the majority view and flip it on its head</B> I'm sorry I don't sit here and just post "I agree". Would you prefer I didn't think for myself? <B>Yes...the next time China supports men who ram planes through our office towers, we should wipe them off the freaking face of the earth.</B> This thread has nothing about planes or office towers. The article and discussion here is about the oppressiveness of the Taliban government. <B>Taliban is flat out evil...annihiliate it. </B> Of course the Taliban and their involvement in terrorism is evil -- who's argued against that? The question is are they evil because of supporting terrorism, or because of their oppressive ways? I think we all agree on the former. This thread focuses on the latter, and my point is that this happens all over the world, from Bosnia and Somalia to Rwanda and China . I asked whether people really expected us to go and eliminate every oppressive government in the world. If so, that would be an interesting change in US foreign policy. <B>(waiting anxiously for the response about how i'm just another ignorant american)</B> If you don't like people asking the tough questions instead of posting "Yes, kill them all!", then you might want to put me in your Ignore list.
shanna -- of course I hope you think for yourself. I think for myself, as well. Having said that, no one ever said that we should attack the Taliban before Tuesday. We've pressured them with diplomatic measures to not kill our citizens over there who are doing missionary work...to ease up on women...to stop persecuting everyone. We only started talking about attacking them after we lost lives on our soil because of the evil that they harbor. This article merely illustrates who we're talking about here...the force behind the nightmare we've been forced to live with this week. the tread isn't about towers and planes?? do you honestly think it would have been posted if it weren't for this attack and the attention on Afghanistan?? Some context would be nice. Instead you use it to make a "devil's advocate" post about should we attack China??? Come on! This is the tough question??? It's not a tough question at all. Eradicate these people quickly. And if another country threatens the life of our children, eradicate their asses too. No more, "well..will France still like us if we go forward with this??" This is American life...there were hundreds of children who were never picked up from day care on Tuesday afternoon...that sh## can't stand and I don't care who the hell cares what our response is.
<B>We've pressured them with diplomatic measures to not kill our citizens over there who are doing missionary work...to ease up on women...to stop persecuting everyone.</B> Of course. But the question people are asking is why we didn't resolve this earlier: <B>why the hell haven't they been taken out before now.</B> <B>My god, why haven't we heard about this before and did something about it!? </B> That was the context of my question. These people are asking why we didn't do anything <I>before this attack</I>. Basically, the question is why we are allowing oppressive governments to exist as is (good question, by the way) If we use that as the basis, then they are talking about eliminating governments based on policy, not terrorism. If people believe that, then my question is do they advocate going into Rwanda, etc. I actually DO think we should be going into Rwanda and places of that nature, because I believe we can save countless lives doing so. If you want context, look at the posts in the thread -- that's always where the context comes from. This thread is about government oppression, not terrorism. Just because the government involved is harboring terrorists doesn't mean that every thread about them has to be about the terrorism aspect.
shanna, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe anyone is implying that we should invade if a country is committing civil rights abuses. They are basically saying that it makes them feel better about going after a terrorism-supporting government that ALSO committs these kind of abuses. just my read on it, I could be wrong ---edited after reading ALL responses-- Talk about me stating the obvious..ignore my post, sorry all.
