1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Rafer needs to get benched:

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by roflmcwaffles, Jan 3, 2007.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,216
    Likes Received:
    39,715
    I don't disagree with much in this post.....however, why not put in a better shooter if the teams are going to funnel it to Rafer, which they are?

    Why not put Rafer squarely on the bench and put in JL3 to bring it up....or put Head in for Rafer and let Tmac bring it up?

    That way it is pick your poison...who do you leave open?

    DD
     
  2. krosfyah

    krosfyah Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2001
    Messages:
    7,816
    Likes Received:
    1,631
    Was the rest of my post, that you ignored, a cliche too? :rolleyes:

    Hope for a better player all you want. Let us know when you are ready to rejoin reality.

    Obviously you want a better player if you can get one. Fact remains, we can win with Rafer as the record CLEARLY shows. Not only are we beating teams, but we are decimating some good teams. We ran up huge leads on the Spurs TWICE (unfortunately, we collapsed in the 1st one). We decimated Dallas and Utah ...the top 3 seeds in the west.

    Clearly if you have a chance to upgrade Rafer, you take it. But you don't just dump/bench Rafer because we obviously can win big with him.

    The best argument you Rafer haters say is that we are winning DESPITE Rafer. That is a cop-out answer. We are winning. Period. Ain't broke, don't fix it. (how's that for a cliche? ;)
     
    #162 krosfyah, Jan 7, 2007
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2007
  3. SmoothOperator

    Joined:
    May 22, 2002
    Messages:
    796
    Likes Received:
    95
    I just would like to see Rafer take less 3s. Perhaps teams are leaving him open for a reason....

    You've seen teams play against a team with a defensive specialist like Ben Wallace. They play way off of him, but he still rarely shoots a jumper. That needs to be Rafers philosophy. We don't need him to score much to win. He shouldn't be taking more than 10 shots a game in my view, and then we'll never see a 6 for 25 night :rolleyes: .
     
  4. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2001
    Messages:
    19,116
    Likes Received:
    20,870
    Rafer's ineptitude right now is being masked and overshadowed by McGrady pulling a 2003 on us and our other players (Howard, Mutombo, Battier) stepping up in huge ways.

    During our 5-game winning streak (Rafer's numbers):

    FGM: 24
    FGA: 79
    FG%: .304%

    3pt FGM: 9
    3pt FGA: 28
    3pt FG%: 32%

    Assists per game: 5.2 per game
    Turnovers per game: 1.6 per game

    "But we're on a 5 game winning streak...so we're winning WITH Alston"
    Sure we are, but everyone else has picked up their game. Mutombo is playing great minutes, Howard is shooting unbelievably good and Battier looks like he's starting to get comfortable w/ the team. You can give credit to Alston for our winning as fast as you can take it away.

    "Alston's the best we've got. Deal with it"
    It's like picking the lesser of two evils. On one hand we can start:
    -an undersized PG in Lucas
    -a SG who has no business handling the ball in Head
    -a guard who hasn't seen quality minutes since the preseason in Spanoulis

    or on the other hand, we have Alston.
    so yes, Alston IS the best we've got but that doesn't mean everything is kosher. Think about how much our team would improve if we had a PG that made even 40-42% of his shots. I'm not even asking for more assists or more steals--just a better shooter.

    "You're asking for too much. If we could get a player like that, we would have done so"
    Oh but we have, and it's Alston. People think I'm crazy for always mentioning this, but Alston's strength is within the 3 point arc...not behind it. He CAN get to the basket and he's very effective when a high pick is set for him. Tony Parker FG% wasn't in the high 40s for nothing--most of it came in the paint. Alston can finish just as well as any point guard in the NBA.

    "So now you want Alston to drive. Great, the point was for him to pass more, and shoot less and not the other way around moron"
    If the other team has to start worrying about Alston penetrating, who doesn't think that will open up shots for players around the perimeter? If they choose to let Alston take it in all day, let him do so. Eventually, they WILL have to do something and when that something comes around, it'll be too late.
     
  5. krosfyah

    krosfyah Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2001
    Messages:
    7,816
    Likes Received:
    1,631
    If McGrady or Yao are not playing stellar basketball, the team is doomed. This team won't win if TMac and/or Yao are playing 'average' regardless of what you do about the PG situation short of picking up Nash.

    The reason people think your crazy when you say that is because Rafer is actually a better 3pt shooter than a 2pt shooter. Mostly because Rafer sucks making shots in the lane (ie layups).

    I'd be happy if Rafer continues to drive to the basket (because actually good at getting shots off) but instead dump off for an assist.

    I'd also be happy if Rafer continues to jack up 3's ...when he's open. Rafer should NEVER shoot a 3 off the dribble unless there is 1 second on the clock.
     
  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,216
    Likes Received:
    39,715
    4-14 so far tonight.....Rafer continues his team killing play.

    WOW !!

    It must be nice not to have to worry about accountability.

    Just keep on Jackin !!!

    DD
     
  7. Matador

    Matador Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2001
    Messages:
    1,780
    Likes Received:
    15
    Bullard just agreed with the title of this thread. He said we need to bring in Lucas cuz Rafer can't make a shot!
     
  8. Amel

    Amel Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2006
    Messages:
    10,647
    Likes Received:
    5,754
    this has been said million times

    and who ever backs up this guy is insane

    he needs to stop shooting or just leave

    ****in incredible

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaarghhhhh
     
  9. SuperS32

    SuperS32 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2000
    Messages:
    928
    Likes Received:
    26
    Rafer is singlehandedly losing us this game. How many teardrops can he airball?
     
  10. cdxiong

    cdxiong Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2004
    Messages:
    741
    Likes Received:
    584
    The sad thing is that he is the second scoring option right now. I don't know what JVG is thinking.
     
  11. A_3PO

    A_3PO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2006
    Messages:
    46,746
    Likes Received:
    12,273
    Missed 10 in a row.
     
  12. ferrarif1286

    ferrarif1286 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2006
    Messages:
    1,467
    Likes Received:
    7
    rockets are down 10 to twolves right now and its 3rd quarter... alston 4/15 shooting... why is he firing so many shot??? this guy is trailing only to tmac for number of shot fired and he can't even hit anything. He is here to initiate the offense and distribute the ball not firing up loads of shots with less than 30% rate of making one
     
  13. Uprising

    Uprising Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2000
    Messages:
    43,076
    Likes Received:
    6,603
    Man has Rafer been crap lately! Seriously! Missing 11 shots in a row! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
     
  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,216
    Likes Received:
    39,715
    Why does JVG demand accountability from rookies but let's Alston suck for more than a month?

    DD
     
  15. Amel

    Amel Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2006
    Messages:
    10,647
    Likes Received:
    5,754
    he suffers from a serious illness called stubbornitis
     
  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,216
    Likes Received:
    39,715
    Apparently Rafer has run out of leash.....FINALLY !!!!

    Let's see how he responds tomorrow night.

    DD
     
  17. A_3PO

    A_3PO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2006
    Messages:
    46,746
    Likes Received:
    12,273
    Kim, feel free to give your comments on Rafer's game.
     
  18. AggieRocketFan96

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2003
    Messages:
    958
    Likes Received:
    368
    I've seen alot of RaferHate lately but I've never seen it so intense as I did on the Chat during the 3d quarter especially as the TWolves starting building a lead with Rafer missing 11 straight shots.
     
  19. dn1282

    dn1282 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2000
    Messages:
    852
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm just glad we have Rafer on our team to make sure we don't win any close games.
     
  20. WhoMikeJames

    WhoMikeJames Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2005
    Messages:
    12,691
    Likes Received:
    306
    Rafer Alston is a disgrace to NBA basketball.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now