armed mexicans overrun national guard post

this happened last week - im really suprised there wasnt already a thread about it.

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/borderstory0104-CR.html

A U.S. Border Patrol entry Identification Team site was overrun Wednesday night along Arizona's border with Mexico.

According to the Border Patrol, an unknown number of gunmen attacked the site in the state's West Desert Region around 11 p.m. The site is manned by National Guardsmen. Those guardsmen were forced to retreat.

The Border Patrol will not say whether shots were fired. However, no Guardsmen were injured in the incident.

The Border Patrol says the incident occurred somewhere along the 120 mile section of the border between Nogales and Lukeville. The area is known as a drug corridor. Last year, 124-thousand pounds of illegal drugs were confiscated in this area.

The Border patrol says the attackers quickly retreated back into Mexico.

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/21755.html

Mexican Gunmen Overrun US National Guard at Border-UPDATE
January 06, 2007 09:14 AM EST

By Sher Zieve – It was reported Friday that, on Wednesday night, unarmed US National Guard troops fled before heavily armed Mexican gunmen who are said to have invaded the United States near Sasabe, AZ. The Guard troops are not allowed armaments but, are supposed to report incursions across the US Border to the US Border Patrol.

The Guard is said to be under strict orders not to engage in any activities other than reporting assaults on the US, at the US-Mexico border, to the Border Patrol. Recently, however, 2 Border Patrol Agents were sentenced to prison for firing upon an armed drug smuggler along the US-Mexico Border area.

Drug smugglers are said to regularly transport drugs into the US at the Mexico-Arizona border. After routing the Guard, the gunmen are reported to have left the area and reentered Mexico.

UPDATE: A Minuteman interviewed by Fox News Saturday advised that Wednesday's Mexican US border incursion involved shots fired at the US National Guard. He also advised that there was another Mexican gunmen incursion into the US on Thursday.

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armed groups are reported to have crossed the border hundreds times in the last 10 years - usually drug gangs or the mexican military assisting the drug gangs. they have held up border patrol and sherriffs at gunpoint and reconfiscated drugs that they siezed.

this highlights what a joke the plan to send the national guard to the border is - they arent even allowed to have guns. how is the national guard supposed to guard our nation if they arent even armed?

america must be the only country in the world where this is allowed to happen and nobody cares. basically, it is an act of war and what is our governments response? what if a group of guatemalans overran mexican troops along their southern border? would they sit by and do nothing? would their media be silent?

could yall imagine if it had been a group of muslims who did this? it would be national news on every channel 24/7. we probably would have nuked half the middle east by now.

 

here is a good article from last month. this is some really scary stuff - we spend 8 billion dollars a month for a war in iraq, but we cant do anything about this. protecting our border is where our military needs to be - not in iraq!

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200612/NAT20061221a.html

Mexican Soldiers Freelancing for Drug Cartels on US Soil
By Kevin Mooney
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
December 21, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - Gun-toting members of the Mexican military are crossing regularly into U.S. territory, where they are partnering with drug cartels and criminal gangs to protect sophisticated smuggling operations, according to Texas sheriffs and lawmakers.

Some of the Mexican infiltrators are suspected to have been trained by the U.S. military.

U.S. Border Patrol agents and local law enforcement officials operating along the southwestern border have come under attack from the Mexican side in recent months, with automatic gunfire frequently erupting, Rep. John Culberson (R-Texas) told Cybercast News Service.

Mexican military units and drug cartels have access to weaponry and communications equipment far more advanced than resources made available to U.S. officials on the state and federal level, Culberson said.

"The U.S. Border Patrol is telling its agents to just lay low and report on what they see," he said. "They are instructed to determine the size of the [Mexican military] unit, the number of personnel, the direction of travel."

The U.S. ambassador to Mexico has sent diplomatic notes to the Mexican government complaining about incursions into U.S. territory by "individuals dressed in military uniforms," according to a congressional report.

Culberson plans to meet with the Mexican ambassador to discuss border issues early in the new year.

More than 200 incursions by the Mexican military of the U.S. southern border have been documented since the late 1990s, Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas) said in an interview.

"Our federal government denied it occurred until the Texas sheriffs took photos," he said. "There is no nation in the world that would allow this invasion to occur except for the United States."

Mexican military personnel have been observed crossing the Rio Grande into Hudspeth County, Texas, in an apparent effort to safeguard drug shipments.

On one occasion early this year, deputies in pursuit of suspected drug dealers encountered "heavily armed soldiers in a Humvee," while trying to apprehend individuals driving "load vehicles" for drug shipments, Hudspeth Sheriff Arvin West told a congressional hearing subsequently.

Although some of the narcotics were seized, the deputies were forced to suspend their pursuit once the Mexican soldiers intervened, according to West's testimony.

Sheriffs in neighboring parts of Texas are also familiar with the techniques used to protect drug shipments in Hudspeth.

According to Sheriff Leo Samaniego of El Paso County, Mexican soldiers perform "flanking maneuvers," forcing deputies into defensive positions.

"They are very involved in safeguarding these drug shipments," he said of the Mexican troops.

Samaniego said he was in contact with farmers in the area who reported witnessing such incidents regularly.

Samaniego recalled another Mexican military incursion he said had taken place in Santa Teresa, N.M., located across the state line from El Paso. Mexican soldiers in two Humvees "chased after" a U.S. Border Patrol agent until backup arrived while another U.S. agent also came under gunfire, Samaniego told Cybercast News Serviceguns.

"Mexican officials gave the excuse that it was a new military unit that got lost and didn't know it was in the U.S.," he said. "But I find this hard to believe."

'Trained in the US'

Some of the Mexican soldiers collaborating with drug cartels were trained at one time at the School of the Americas in Fort Benning, Ga., said Sheriff Rick Flores of Webb County.

Although they were trained to combat "narco-terrorism" many such soldiers are ultimately lured by the fact they can make substantially more money working with the cartels, Flores said in an interview.

"We train people to fight bad elements and help restore order but they end up defecting," he said. "Then we end up fighting them after we train them."

The power and influence of the drug cartels is difficult to overstate, Flores contended. They are in control of almost "every type of business" in Mexico and boast almost unlimited resources.

Webb County has also experienced an influx of Mexican soldiers who appear to be working on behalf of the cartels and other criminals, Flores said.

"Our drug enforcement taskforce came across soldiers dressed in black clad uniforms near Highway 83. They were marching in cadence and pretty much scared the hell out of our people. They had fully automatic AK 47s wrapped around their arms and they were carrying duffle bags with their free arms. It was pretty freaky," Flores said.

A report on security threats to the southwestern border, provided by the House Homeland Security Committee's subcommittee on investigations, refers to a growing nexus between drug cartels, criminal gangs and Mexican military personnel.

Some of the gangs mentioned in the report include the Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), the Mexican Mafia, and the Texas Syndicate.

Zapata County Sherriff Sigifredo Gonzalez told Cybercast News Service the cartels were equipped with a military grade arsenal and an intelligence network that poses a threat to American local and federal officials.

Cybercast News Service reported previously that some cartels have the ability to eavesdrop on U.S. law enforcement agencies' communications.

Last July, deputies from Hidalgo - two counties away from Zapata - responded to an emergency call and found themselves targeted by "300 to 400 rounds of automatic gunfire from the Mexican side, for about 10 minutes," Gonzalez reported.

With such incidents continuing along the border, the Zapata sheriff said in time there would inevitably be casualties on the U.S. side. In just the past few weeks, he added, U.S. National Guard members had come under fire in neighboring Starr County.

'Cartels diversifying'

There are also signs the criminal gangs are becoming bolder.

Rick Glancey, the interim executive director of the Southwestern Border Sheriff's Coalition, says drug cartels have diversified operations and are now smuggling both narcotics and humans.

According to the congressional committee report, the Texas-Mexico border includes 18 points of entry into the U.S. that are attractive to drug cartels and other criminal enterprises.

Further complicating security concerns, Gonzales pointed out that an extensive train system, with trains ranging from 90 to 160 cars, also travels from Guatemala, through Mexico and ending adjacent to the Texas border.

The train system enables the smuggling operations to access major interstate highways in Brownsville, McAllen, Laredo and El Paso that serve as a gateway into the U.S., providing cartels with enormous opportunities, Glancey said.

Currently, competing cartels are fighting for control of a highly prized corridor into the U.S. called "the plaza," said Flores. He voiced concerns that inter-gang violence may spill over the U.S. side and threaten citizens in his jurisdiction and in other parts of Texas.

The Mexican Embassy in the U.S. this week declined an invitation to comment on allegations of Mexican soldiers' presence in Texas. The embassy did make available a Mexican foreign ministry statement on the incident in Hudspeth County in early 2006.

It said the Mexican government concluded that the "uniforms, insignia, vehicles and arms" used by the individuals involved "do not correspond to those used by Mexican armed forces."

The government contended that "no members of the Mexican army participated in the incident" and that the armed individuals were attached to a "drug trafficking organization."

 

i totally agree with you, but i feel compelled to point out that michael savage's real name is michael weiner. he is a new york liberal who graduated w/ a ph.d in botany from berkley. he has written numerous books on herbal medicine and homeopathic remedies. he is also alleged to have had a homosexual affair with allen ginsburg. it doesnt get anymore liberal than that, yet this guy spews some of the most hateful things i have ever heard against "libpigs" and such. he is a complete fake. that is all

i think the idea of a solid 2,000 mile fence is silly, but i do think walls in strategic areas of high drug traffic/illegal entry would help.

so bush is a "liberal pansy"? the sad irony is that it was the republican congress which kept bush from getting his amnesty for illegal immigrant bill passed, but now that the dems are in he will get his wish. despite the fact that the VAST majority of american citizens are against it.

or like i said earlier, if this was a group of muslims which did this it would be national news 24/7 and we would already be at war with the entire middle east.

 

i dont think anyone is claiming that it is a concerted effort by illegals or the government (at least im not), but it is happening and their government isnt doing anything to stop it. and i dont think the mexican government would need to do anything like this for us to lift our immigration standards. our leaders are taking care of that themselves.

at the very least it is the work of drug smuggling gangs - but it is also possible that the mexican military is working directly with them. it wouldnt be difficult for the cartels to get their hands of mexican military uniforms and equipment (humvees, weapons, tracking equipment) so its possible that the military is not actually involved. it is a fact that alot of the mexican special forces turned and started working for the cartels (the zetas). it would be like a bunch of army rangers and green berets going and working for the bloods and crips...not too cool for law enforcement.

however, if you read the article in the 2nd post in the thread it becomes hard to seperate the mexican military from all this. especially when the mexican government admits its their military, but that they were just new recruits doing training exercises and got lost. the mexican government isnt evey denying that they crossed over our border.

either way, if armed men dressed in mexican military are crossing over our border it doesnt matter if they are legit military or not, we need to defend ourselves.

 

dont we have armed national guard patrolling the streets of new orleans right now?

i think we can put them on the border to protect us from real threats like this.