It's his brother, not him. And according to the WTC database, he's listed as a survivor in critical condition. http://espn.go.com/ncb/news/2001/0912/1250965.html
I met someone today who wishes that the U.S. should practice an eye for an eye, and 'terrorize' the middle eastern countries who harbor these organizations. Sick. But this week I'll forgive everyone their emotions. I lived in a 3 world country, and people ARE ignorant. Those who are powerful, usually by both wealth and charisma, manipulate them. They use U.S. sanctions that starve the innocent and deprive them of medication to bolster their support, further cementing their positions of authority. They use people's misery and lack of knowledge, or fear of God, to motivate them into violence. These actions demand retribution. And on a military level. I'm amazed that nothing else has happened because although hugely catastrophic, these assaults have done nothing except mobilize the powerful United States government and populace and given them the support of the rest of the world at large. Even Putin has given Russia's support with the words that this terrorism should not go unpunished. But we are ignorant, too. Point of fact is that the CIA greatly aided the development of Bin Laden's organization. Another is that many of us haven't learned anything beyond the philosophy of 'us or them' and seek a simple solution of outright destruction, regardless of innocent life destroyed. Such solutions take away the righteousness of our attacks and our emotions when what we should be installing in the world is the righteousness of personal freedom. If the Palestinians celebrate, it's because of their ignorance. With our technology, with our exposure to nearly all religions and political views and with the evidence that all of those come here to be able to achieve wealth and freedom for their families here and back 'home', wherever that may be, we don't have any excuse to do likewise.
Severe Rockets fan, I hope you realize that you're the first person in this thread to make a personal attack. The creator of this thread mentioned that he'd be offended if he was told that it's in the wrong forum, and no one has, but comments like yours that can heat up an argument make it impossible to not consider this thread misplaced. I told you, I'm deeply sorry. I'm angry. I'm not dancing in the street. I live in the Middle East. You have nothing to fear anymore. But I do because the whole region may be held responsible for the actions of 5(?) men. You wanna know what terrified is? it's me writing this not knowing whether I'll be able to reply again. When you wrote what you wrote, you might as well have regarded everyone on this board a christian. Not everyone follows the bible. Not all religions say the same things. My religion says that we have no right to judge anyone for their actions. But maybe yours says something else. That's why you should've kept what you said.....to yourself.
Sorry, I didn't really read the part about your relatives the first time, otherwise I would not have mentioned the signature. I hope your relatives are fine.
Look guys, we're turning this into something it wasn't meant to be. The thread was meant to be a memorial for those that had lost their lives, those who may have survived, and ease our pain. I have read the bible, i have read the quran. I can gurantee you that there isn't a religion out there that teaches hate or violence. The people who did this are a perverted form, they have not followed any principle of the religion. Suicide and killing of innocent people is wrong in Islam. I'm truly sorry , i didn't want to get into religion, but one shouldn't mix religion with people. It would be like me mixing christianity with timothy mcveigh. That would be one of the most ignornat things i could do. These people weren't religious fanatics, there were just perverted because no religion teaches or even hints at what all these people did. This thread was created for a good purpose. We (as adults, i know there are kids in here too) should be coming together to help eachother in these circumstances. There have been a lot of people missing or dead. I really do think those terrorists got it easy by commiting suicide, they deserve worse. They have turned people's lives around. It's just not right. It wasn't just christians in those buildings, there were muslims and jews in those buildings too. I hope and pray that we come together as people to end this terror and rid ourselves of the individuals who bring about this terror. Everyone's anger is justified. I want to just say to respect this thread as a memorial, don't blame religions for these acts. We can find a solution against the people who commit wrong. It's time that the countries come together and bring a solution to these problems. Anyway, My prayers go out all those that are suffering with pain and anger, those that are dead. If these circumstance don't bring us together, I am ashamed to be part of this race.
Words can not express the deep loss we all felt on that terrible tuesday morning. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends in NYC, Washington and Pennsylvania. Today we as Americans in all races and gender are united as one, and we will show the world that we are strong when UNITED. God Bless everyone.
I live in Houston. I live near Deer Park/La Porte/Pasadena, where a huge part of the energy producing resources in America are located. I am in fear. I do not know how many terrorists are still sitting in their condos, watching the days pass by, just waiting for their time to attack. I am not the only one in fear. I am not the only one who is angry. Sane, even though I'm not sure who you are or where you are from, I do not blame you. I actually am keeping people like you and others in my thoughts. Good luck and may God see you and other innocent people through these difficult times. I know this thread was created as a memorial, so included with the American people affected by this week's tragedy, we should also include all peoples that are affected by terrorist activities.
??? Because of us? Sane, I know some of the hijackers supposedly had UAE passports, but that may be considered meaningless. Regardless, even with this horrible attack, I do not think that our country will be bombing civilians (I would not move next-door to bin laden though). God...Allah be with you.
Read this article and you will feel sick. Hijackers lived comfortably in Fla., officials say By KEVIN SACK and JIM YARDLEY New York Times VERO BEACH, Fla. -- For the past few years, a handful of Middle Eastern men made their way to Florida to learn how to fly. Some took classes at a high-tech aviation center here, while at least one learned to handle passenger jets at an aeronautical college in Daytona Beach. Still others took lessons on propeller planes at a flight school on Florida's west coast. In each case, the authorities now believe, the skills they learned on American soil may have helped them carry out the worst act of terror in this country's history. In Washington on Thursday, officials said 18 men hijacked the planes that crashed Tuesday, five in each of the two jetliners that crashed into the World Trade Center and four each in the planes that crashed into the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania. Several of the suicide fliers attended aviation academies in Florida. At least one fellow student is at large and believed to be armed; another is in custody, apparently cooperating with federal agents. Unlike the terrorists implicated in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, who plotted in secretive cells, many of these men went out of their way to live openly and to blend in. Some knew each other and lived as neighbors in comfortable homes on quiet streets. Some occasionally drank too much in local bars. Some brought their wives and children with them and took shopping trips to the mall in their Plymouth Voyagers. Their children attended public schools and played computer games with the neighborhood kids. While apparently preparing for the most extraordinary of crimes, they lived seemingly unexceptional lives. Here in Vero Beach, for instance, Abdul Rahman Alomari, a Saudi Arabian pilot who officials say helped hijack one of the planes in Boston, arrived in July 2000 to take classes at FlightSafety Academy. He signed a $1,400-a-month lease to rent one of the pastel stucco houses that line 57th Terrace, settling next door to another Saudi student, Adnan Zakaria Bukhari, and just a few miles away from another friend, Amer Mohammed Kamfar. Neighbors watched the men come home each day dressed in the signature white shirts and gold-and-black epaulets that identified them as FlightSafety trainees. They had large, beautiful families, the neighbors said. And while they did not often make heavy conversation, usually offering just a friendly wave or hello, they also seemed not the least bit secretive or mysterious. So it was quite a surprise when a squad of FBI agents roused the neighbors at 5:30 a.m. EDT on Wednesday and shepherded them in their nightclothes to the end of the block, telling them that the nearby houses they were about to search might be booby-trapped with bombs. The shock only deepened as the agents whisked Bukhari away to their Miami field office for sustained questioning about the Pentagon and World Trade Center attacks. Kamfar's neighbors, meanwhile, would soon learn that the police had issued an all-points bulletin for him, warning that he might be heavily armed. And while the FBI has not confirmed the names of the suspected hijackers, local law enforcement officials here have suggested, at least, that Alomari, the father of four, was one of them. Roy Raymond, the Indian River County sheriff here, said some 30 FBI agents and another 30 local law enforcement officers were involved in the raids Wednesday on four houses here, and that Alomari seemed to be the bureau's primary interest. Kamfar, meanwhile, apparently remains at large. That came as unsettling news to his former neighbor, Hank Habora, who said Kamfar introduced himself simply as "John" when moving into a rented house next door last fall. The man and his wife, who wore a full-length Muslim garment known as a chador and spoke little English, had four children and possibly an infant. Two weeks ago, Habora said, the family moved away abruptly, discarding much of their clothing and other belongings in the trash. A van pulled up to the house and honked, and the family got in and drove off, he said. "If he was dangerous, he never showed it while living here," Habora said. Farther up the coast in Daytona Beach, another man being investigated, Waleed Al Shehri, learned how to fly at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, a four-year institution considered a national leader in training pilots. He graduated in 1997 with a degree in aeronautical science and the skills to handle a commercial jetliner. As a foreign student, he hardly stood out at Embry-Riddle. The university said its student body represents more than 100 nations, many of them from the Middle East. Al Shehri is from Saudi Arabia, and Embry-Riddle officials said he attended on a full four-year scholarship paid for by the Saudi Arabian government, an arrangement not considered unusual. He was regarded by faculty members as studious and intelligent. "A very mild-mannered person, small in stature," recalled Dr. Frank Richey, 62, a professor in the school of aeronautical science who was among several faculty members interviewed by the FBI about Al Shehri. "He seemed to be very friendly. He was probably one of the last persons I'd expect to do something like this. He didn't appear to be a religious fanatic at all." Real estate records indicate that Al Shehri lived at an apartment complex in Daytona Beach, and law enforcement officers canvassed it and other addresses in the area Tuesday night. But he apparently has not lived in Daytona Beach since 1998, and records suggest he may have moved to Vienna, Va., for an undetermined time. Whether Al Shehri ever overlapped with any of the other suspects in Daytona Beach is unknown. Real estate records indicate that a man with the same name as another suspect, Mohamed Atta, lived at an address in Port Orange, a neighboring town, at roughly the same time Al Shehri attended Embry-Riddle. Atta remains a significant focus of the FBI's attention. A videotape taken from the Portland, Maine, airport Tuesday morning showed him and Alomari passing through security gates before flying to Boston, according to officials in Maine. Both men made the connection to American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane to strike the World Trade Center. In the past two days, agents have searched an apartment in Hollywood, Fla., that Atta rented from May 13 to June 13 along with another suspect, Marwan Alshehhi. Unlike the aviation students in Vero Beach, Atta and Alshehhi moved around more frequently. From July to November 2000, they were students of Huffman Aviation in Venice, on Florida's Gulf Coast and for some time in the first half of this year the two lived in Hamburg, Germany. By mid-May, they were back in Florida. When Brad Warrick saw Atta's picture on television Wednesday, he instantly recognized him as the polite, well-spoken man to whom he had rented a car three times in the last six weeks. Warrick, who owns Warrick's Rent-A-Car in Pompano Beach, said Atta first came into his office Aug. 6 and appeared to be someone who had lived in the country for years. He rented a car Aug. 6, kept it for a week and drove 254 miles. After returning it, he came in for another car Aug. 15 and kept it for two weeks, driving nearly 2,000 miles. At one point during that rental, Warrick said Atta called him, saying he was in Venice, Fla., and that the "service engine soon" light had come on. Warrick said he told him not to worry about it. On Aug. 29, Atta returned the car for servicing and rented a third one, which he kept out until Sept. 9 after driving 1,035 miles, Warrick said. That car was still sitting in the parking lot, not cleaned or serviced, when Warrick saw Atta's picture on television. He called the FBI, which sent out agents minutes later and towed the car to Miami, also taking the original rental contracts. Later, Warrick thought it odd that Atta -- whom he described as nicely dressed, usually wearing a polo shirt, slacks and dress shoes -- had been concerned about the condition of the car and had returned it two days before the hijacking. "I mean, if you were going on a suicide mission, why not just leave the car at the airport?" Warrick said. "But he seemed like a model customer. I wish all my customers were like that. Well, I guess not." As the pilots sought to hone their skills, they apparently used numerous flight schools to "practice," as Atta told the operators of Palm Beach Flight Training in Lantana, Fla., where FBI agents showed up Wednesday and Thursday seeking information. For three days last month, Atta rented a single-engine, low-wing plane for $88 an hour from the school, saying he wanted to increase his flying hours even though the school's operators noted that he was already a certified commercial pilot who had 300 hours of flying time. It was not, however, only the aeronautical pursuits of possible suspects that captured the FBI's attention in Florida on Thursday. The manager of a Daytona Beach strip club and sports bar said agents had collected evidence at his club after three Middle Eastern patrons who visited the club Monday night were heard loudly predicting coming bloodshed in America. John Kap, manager of the club, the Pink Pony and Red Eye Jack Sports Bar, said FBI agents on Wednesday took credit-card receipts, copies of the men's driver's licenses and a Quran. He declined to identify the men but said all three had Central Florida addresses and spent a few hundred dollars on lap dances and drinks between 11 p.m. on Monday and about 2 a.m. on Tuesday, hours before the attacks. "There were a lot of anti-American things being said," Kap said in a telephone interview, "and at one point, one of the gentlemen said, `Wait until tomorrow, America is going to see bloodshed.' "
ugh. you're right that made me sick. hope you don't mind buti'm gonna link it to a thread in the hangout.
Atleast the muslims i know do not drink at ALL. Going to strip clubs also doesn't represent muslims as they are prohibited in many or all of muslim countries. As a matter of fact, in Saudi Arabia, if u are caught drinking, u could be executed and im not joking here. These fanatic peoples belief that Allah wanted them to do this. Well i believe that right now they are burning in hell. There is nowhere in Koran where voilence is allowed. As a matter of fact, Muslims profit Muhammad was Strongly against it too. These terrorist are NOT muslims.
Sane: Where do you live? Our best wishes and handshakes are with you -- interest in Houston Basketball transcends all other human deliniations. As well it should. Take care, my man CBFC
Thanks CBFC.. Although I'm Iranian, I live in the UAE. That's right next to Saudi Arabia (a lot of people don't know). Right now it looks like the whole UAE people thing has died down, but still, like someone before me said, you wouldn't wanna be living next door to Bin Ladan. Just to make it clear, the people who did this do NOT represent all Muslim, and most MOST probably don't represent Islam. But it's not for me to judge. CNN was showing people in Britain that were throwing stones at mosques, and firing gunshots at them too, so I just wanted to clarify.
The Palestinian people do suffer and have done so for a long time while America and most of the world pretend not to notice wat´s goin´ on there. Allthough it was a completley sensless thing to do, selebrating the deaths of innocents. There are those in Palestine that partially blame there suffering on America because they think America doesn´t pressure the Israelic government like they should. Thats why a small part of the Palestinian people did what they did. Likewise there are Americans that will selebrate the deaths of innocents in Afghanistan. nilsrock
