Who would you want leading during this crisis: Bush or Gore

But Bush said last night that our military was strong and prepared. If it was so woeful 9 months ago, I seriously doubt that it's ready by now.

 

Good point. Im sure our military is prepared, but Im also sure that Clinton didn't spend much money on it. (like Reagan).

 

'Master Baiter' not only does your name border on the offensive, but right now so do you as far as I'm concerned. I saw this thread several hours ago, and I can't help but comparing it to only one thing: Those @sses who are selling gas for $5 a gallon.

Why? Because, like them, you are attempting to use the tragedy yesterday for your own profit, in this case attempting to further your own political views. When you started this supposed 'poll' did you really care what people answered, or were you expecting everyone to line up in support of Bush?

Take a long, close look at Donald Rumsfield's history of hair-brained, half-witted, expensive flights of fantasy, culminating in the completely useless 'National Missle Defense' scheme that he single-handedly brought back to the table. It is people like Rumsfeld who pushed the Osprey onto the Marines. He wastes funding on high-tech flights of fancy that don't work and will end up getting soldiers killed.

I think that statement pretty much makes clear where your views and motives lie. Congrats on successfully 'bait'ing me.

 

Beyond the infighting going on here I think some points should be made on this. Certainly Gore is not appreciated by the military as much as there basic voting trends would point out. But most of that is related to the deep rooted conservative ideology within their collective psyches. Gore was in Vietnam while George Sr. got his boy in the "champagne division" (yes thats what it was known as at the time) of the Air Texas National Gaurd. Gore did plan to spend more on the military then Bush. Clinton did take money away from the military during his tenure but considering the end of the Cold War well...duh no arms race. And may I say why the hell can't we keep away from it now. Unfortunately for all humans who happen to like life it's about to start again. Although the defense contractors who are gonna make alot of mula don't seem to mind. This is because of a stupid and just wrong assumption that you could knock a nuclear attack out of the air. Hmmm even if the technology got a LOT better in just a few years you do that and all you do is waste a BUNCH of money and make your enemies spend very little to make a bunch of decoys to fool your system or in other more scary ways change their plans of attack. This wouldn't work against the supposed rogue nations or big ol' China. And the fact is the balance of power would be destroyed which is what endangers us most anyway. Our role as the only superpower right now puts us in the sights of a lot of the world who have problems with what they percieve as our hedgemoney. I will say in fact I voted for Nader though I'm not with him on everything and hoped for Gore to win. I really wished McCain was the Republican candidate and Bradley the Democratic one(hey he was a good ball player =) I'm guessing here that nobody would have any doubts about McCain's running of the show today. In fact I wish he had been on the first plane cause then the terrorst with there little razors wouldn't have been enough to take the plane and even if they had killed the pilot McCain could have landed the plane after leading the passengers to take back the cockpit. Bush inspires very little confidence in me. I think its more than possible that he will get things done from his vantage but thats with Cheney and Dad and everybody else in his ear. I also wish Colin Powell seemed to have a more active role in this administration. But in this situation my problems with Bush become diminished because of what needs to be done. Before yesterday I was thinking environment, social issues, campaign finance reform, economy, supreme court, the Middle East, and such. Now it's get whoever those F-in bastards are, and I mean all of them. Osama I'm looking at you.

 

That borders on the offensive?? Some people are just so sensitive.

 

Didnt the Wall street Journal publish a report that Bush has cut the military down smaller than that of the Clinton era?

Didnt they also report that most military higher ups were upset that Bush showed one hand (pro military build up) in the debates, but used military cutbacks to help fund his budget of tax breaks?

Gore is much much more military friendly, and knowledgable. He has written articles on the stuff. His budget for the military was larger than that of Bush's.


Wasnt it Bush who couldnt on a few occasions handle tough negotiations so he called his daddy in to finish talks off?

Dear god. Im not trying to rip into Bush. I personally feel that Gore would handle this situation in a stronger fashion that Bush would. But again thats speculation and personal opinion. It doesnt matter, because right now all we have is Bush. No one else. Bringing up a "Who would you prefer" poll is fine. At least get some of your facts straight.

And I concur with your name. We have thousands of readers here at Clutch city. Im sure many many of them are of the younger more impressionable side. They shouldnt be forced to look at your crappy name in the sake of "If you dont like it look somewhere else." Just change it, we pride ourselves here as being more intelligent than all the other BBS's. You want to use a name like that, go to the ESPN message board. You find lots of screennames similar to yours. You probably would fit right in there.

 

MB,

Damn, you are acting dense...let me try again:

1. Yes, I know the milatary votes were crucial for Bush (especially in Florida) but that proves nothing. Military people aren't all geniuses and even still will buy into ideological lines...that is: Republicans=military, Dems=no military. There is also the Clinton association, despite the fact that they are two different men and Gore didn't want to be associated with him (Clinton originally picked Gore to get more conservative votes, they have never been real allies on policy in some areas).

2. Yes, as previously stated, Gore did go to Vietnam -- against his father's wishes. Bush evaded. If "fighting for your country" is such a big deal to some, this would seem important.

3. For the past 20 or so years, Gore has been advocating the increase of the military, both in funding and personnel. For this reason, he was not popular with Dems pre-90's (when they still were not so cenricist).

4. Wow, Gore writing papers means nothing...ok, other than the fact that they were for the MILITARY-based advisory committees on which he served, they were generally always promoting a pro-military viewpoint, and they show a general knowledge of the way things work.

5. You must be right, Gore would never have had advisors that had military experience. How dumb is that? Never mind the fact that many of the non-appointed pentagon, FBI, CIA, etc, advisors would be the same for that, but of course he would have found men and women with the right background for the right positions.

6. No matter who was in office, Powell would have been involved, he is a celebrity and re-assures the public. Cheney and Rumsfeld are replaceable with many others (some better) who have knowledge and background.

7. Again, both would have been well advised and both would have followed similar procedures. If you have watched any of the news you will see former Clinton, Bush and even Reagan advisors saying that so far everything has been the accepted route that all previous would have followed almost exactly. These are guidelines that have been put into place for some time. No one president could change that.

8. Gore had allocated a larger military budget. I do not care if you find that hard to believe...it is well documented.

Apparently you did not come into this open minded and that is why you must stick to your stance of Bush being better. You even tried to claim that Bush, a former governor, would have had experience just because his father was president...so please don't act innocent. This is not a political issue. Let it go.