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Beating Rockets is easy now, as long as Rudy is the coach.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Caveman, Dec 16, 1999.

  1. Caveman

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    Rockets has just become a complete one-on-one team. That's fine, except Francis and Mobley aint Jordan, and teams know all they need to do to win is to double and trap either one of them. If you are Spurs, you can afford slacking off for three quarters and just coming to the 4th quarter and do what I have just said, the WIN is in hand.

    I can't believe there are still people here would shiftting blame to players and not to face the fact that Rudy is a lousy coach. Guys like "ChrisJent" says that Rockets lack cohesion and discipline, and yet he says that is not the coach's fault. How can that be? There are many heads on the court at the same time, they need to have an unified plan for each play, otherwise it is confusion, hesitance and defeat. Please guess whoes job that is! If a coach can't put players onto the same page to excute plays, then what good is he? If you pay me $1 million dollars a year(Still less than Rudy [​IMG] ), I garrantee you I will yell: "play harder" better than Rudy can, but what good does that do? The truth is that the inside-outside is the only team game Rudy knows how to coach, without that, he can do nothing!

    If you want to bust me for b****ing Rudy, why don't you anwser two questions.

    1)What is Rudy's main offense system in the 4th quarter when there is no running game?

    2)Have you seen Rockets setting more picks lately than before Chuck and Hakeem went out?


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  2. heypartner

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    wow...

    you know, after the 115th time I've read this from you, I think you've finally convinced me. You've really narrowed your focus to the point I just can't hold back my denial anymore.

    I'm going to change my User-id to Cave-In in honor of losing my joists to the weight of your snow.
     
  3. BoyhoodDream

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    Agreed Caveman.

    You hit this thing right on the top of the head.I did not find a single thing I disagreed with.
     
  4. Francis3

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    Rudy doesnt know how to coach this team in the 4th and I agree. He doesnt bring the right players in at the right time. I dont know what his problem is.
     
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    Caveman, I think this team being allowed in the game last night against the world champions, a much, much, better team, with more than one go to player is a testament to the coaching that WAS done last night.

    Francis is at the moment our only go to player, and last night we set pick after pick for the guy and Steve played it totally wrong in the late stretches. Looking for his own shot as he well should most of the time, Steve ignored the guy who was so often rolling to the basket. They doubled Steve and he didn't pass and it became ugly, very ugly. That's the price of having a rookie at point and the price of having him as your only quote "go-to" guy down the stretch.
     
  6. Francis3

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    I dont remember francis messing up. I know that everyone else in the last lineup messed up, Well hamilton played pretty good.
    But Rudy just doesnt know what to do at that time. We shouldnt of been in that situation. We could of held the lead if we would of came with that same lineup we had in the 3rd or just change it a little bit but DONT TAKE FRANCIS OUT!


    Lineup that would of won the game should of been this

    CATO
    ROGERS
    BULLARD
    ANDERSON
    FRANCIS
     
  7. rocketsfan34

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    Have you guys ever thought he does that on purpose??? If he put shandon in who is a clutch shooter wouldn't that just defeat the purpose of tanking a season. You don't exactly get a high pick by winning. He knows we can win, but he wants to let Drew and others get some playing experience. If he put Shandon in the 4th we might actually win. Obviously, if you are rebuilding you want high draft picks now. I never understood why he doesn't put anderson in the 4th when he's a clutch shooter and I understand now, but at least fans don't think we are tanking cuz games are so close.

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  8. Francis3

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    Maybe we are ... Actually I dont mind it that much. I just want the rockets to have a good future team.

    LETS GET KENYON MARTIN!
     
  9. Pass 1st shoot 2nd

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    Caveman,
    I hope that you asked for a life for Christmas. All you do is gripe about Rudy. You get to see the rotation that you've wanted all year and then b**** about it when it doesn't work. Rudy is not the source of all evil. You have got to be the sorest loser in the world.

    P 1st, S 2nd
     
  10. rocketsfan34

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    Caveman:

    1. A half-court one. For example, isolation with Francis and Cat. Or a pick and roll with Thomas. There is no "SET" one becuase there is no "Dream" demanding the ball. So they switch things up, hoping to find one thing that works then sticking to it.

    2. I wouldn't know cuz I don't live in Houston and can't see the games, all I know is from the radio. But from I hear yes. Kenny Thomas set a few picks compared to none by Dream and Chuck.

    I don't know what the hell is your problem with Rudy but he isn't the problem. When you lose 2 of the 50 greatest players, don't u think we would have some problems???? I'm gettin sick and tired of your whining saying Rudy is the problem. All he's doing is playing his cards right by tanking the season. What else do you expect him to do? Try and get the 8th seed then get blown out by Portland? If you say yes, well that's your opionion. I would rather go into the lottery and have a better chance next year.

    I bet you would blame sloan as the problem if Stockton and Malone both went down. It's not that they just lost 2 of the 50 greatest players but its becuase of their coach. That's why they are losing.

    How about if Kobe and Shaq both go down? Oh wait its not that they lost their 2 best players that they are losing, but its Phil Jackson who can't coach.

    Blaming a coach after he loses 2 of his 3 best guys is just the sorriest excuse I've ever heard. At least u know my opinion on this matter now. Sorry to be so blunt but that's just pathetic.
     
  11. Bobby

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    I wish the cretins who keep posting "it's Rudy's fault" (soem of the same who used to blame CB) would get a life or at least have their eyes checked.

    Did Rudy miss all those free throws last night?
    Did Rudy pull the bonehead plays (or misplays)in the fourth quarter like messing up an inbounds play (twice)?
    Did Rudy make 2o something turnovers?
    Is Rudy missing 5-10 foor "cripplers"?
    I suppose he's also at fault for the lack of effort at times.

    Get a life and wake up!
     
  12. Caveman

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    If one doesn't see the game how can you argue about the game, I tape every game. As far as I have no grip with Rocket players, I hate D-I-T to Hakeem for the last 4 years, but I love Hakeem's talent, even NOW. The only problem I have with Rockets is Rudy, a coach who has no accountability.

    As far As P..1st, why don't you check your eyes out before you call someone to get a life. I never called for Hamilton to be in my line-up. This is the last time I would ever respond to your name-calling Pee name.

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  13. Caveman

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    Bobby:
    For the same token, Rudy never made a shot in 94 and 95 run for the championships, so he should have never gotten any credits, right? WRONG!



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  14. Clutch

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    Caveman (BasketballFan) --

    No one else is "catching on" to your "D-I-T" term.
    Quit trying to get attention with the same damn spill.
    We understand you hate Rudy.
    We understood it months ago.
    Your act is tired.
    Give it up.

    Thank you,
    Clutch
     
  15. Finalfantasy

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    I was writing the best analysis on Rudy's coaching style and ability ever! but the goddman computer suddenly crashed. I am depressed so maybe next time.

    Dang!
     
  16. Caveman

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    Clutch, I did not mean to get you be so upset, I did not invent D-I-T, I remember somebody else did. [​IMG]

    But I am not shamed of being down on Rudy, months agao, when majority of posters were SO excited by the addition of Francis and Shandon. The talk then was Championship run again. There is a Chinese old saying: "good medicine may be bitter, but it does one good". The medicine for Rockets is, unfortunately, firing Rudy. They can't build anything until that happens.
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    All in favor of Caveman becoming another team's fan, say "I".
     
  18. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Rudy is a fine coach. He is not the one missing free throws, or not executing the game plan. It is the players, they are young and inexperienced and have not learned court savvy.

    Caveman,

    I just watched game 7 of the Knicks Rockets finals, and you know what I saw? The DIT offense that you talked about was NOT the offense that team ran. OH, they ran some post ups, but they also ran a pick and roll with OT and Kenny. They ran a High Post with Hakeem, and they had cutters with Horry, and they had penetration with Cassel.

    I think Rudy only uses what is working, and right now that is very little. Francis can not get to the hole with 2 people on him in the 4th period. He needs to learn to give it up when he is doubled, they just lack experience.

    Of which our coach has plenty.

    DaDakota

    PS It is time for the players to take some blame, lack of mental toughness and low basketball IQ is the main issue right now"
     
  19. Caveman

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    Dakota:
    I believe the so called D-I-T offense actually started in 95 final against Orlando. (well Rudy discoverd it in Spurs game with Horry shooting from outside) Rudy was successful using Horry to draw Horace Grant out of the post and shoot 3s when he went dwon to stop Hakeem with Shaq. Luckly, Brian Hill, a bad coach did not know how to adjust. He should have tried watching the Sonics playing Houston. He would have learned to stop Hakeem, you don't send two big guys to him. You send one big guy(5) and small guards, with the big guy stopping him with strenth and smaller guy trying to steal, swipe and steal the ball from his hand or dribble. I give credit to Rudy for the way he used Horry in those games. But now it is different. Rudy has not shown any ability to be being able to coach anything to me, for 3 years.

    If Doc Rivers can get his team to beat some team, including Rockets, Rudy should too, well he needs to, after all his team is way more talented than Orlando.

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  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Caveman,

    Perhaps, just maybe....Doc has better players?

    Take a step back, the Rockets really have only 1 GO-TO player, in Francis, and he is young and impatient and does not know how to win in the NBA yet.

    The rest of the team right now is either real young or inexperienced, did you ever think that maybe that is our REAL problem...NO EXPERIENCE?

    In all honesty, if Francis was more of a pass first type of player the Rockets would have a better record. Too often players stand around and watch..sometimes even marvel, at what he can do. However, when it gets to crunch time NBA teams are not going to get beat by your 1st option, and we have no 2nd or 3rd option right now.

    Remember when the Rockets won those championships..it was NEVER Hakeem hitting the clutch shots..it was Elie's kiss of death. Horry's 3 pointers. Mad Max doing his thing or Sam Cassel hitting his mid range jumper.

    Plain and Simple, we don't have the horses right now.

    DaDakota
     

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