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Questions about Planned Parenthood

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by hotballa, Dec 18, 2006.

  1. rimrocker

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    Sanger remains a controversial figure. While she is widely credited as a leader of the modern birth control movement, and remains an iconic figure for the American reproductive rights movements, she also is reviled by some who condemn her as "an abortion advocate" (perhaps unfairly so: abortion was illegal during Sanger's lifetime and Planned Parenthood did not then support the procedure or lobby for its legalisation). Groups opposed to Planned Parenthood and/or legalized abortion have frequently targeted Sanger for her views, attributing her efforts to promote birth control to a desire to "purify" the human race through eugenics, and even to eliminate minority races by placing birth control clinics in minority neighborhoods.[10] For this reason, Sanger is often quoted selectively or out of context by detractors (a practice known as quote mining), and her history and involvement with socialism and eugenics have often been rationalized or even ignored by her defenders and biographers (a practice known as spin doctoring). Despite the allegations of racism, Sanger's work with minorities earned the respect of civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr.[11] In their biographical article about Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood notes:

    In 1930, Sanger opened a family planning clinic in Harlem that sought to enlist support for contraceptive use and to bring the benefits of family planning to women who were denied access to their city's health and social services. Staffed by a black physician and black social worker, the clinic was endorsed by The Amsterdam News (the powerful local newspaper), the Abyssinian Baptist Church, the Urban League, and the black community's elder statesman, W.E.B. DuBois.[12]


    --per Wiki
     
  3. rhester

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    It's interesting how Sanger quotes are taken (context) based upon one's abortion views.

    Try reading these publications of Sanger- "Some Moral Aspects of Eugenics" (June 1920), "The Eugenic Conscience" (February 1921), "The purpose of Eugenics" (December 1924), "Birth Control and Positive Eugenics" (July 1925), "Birth Control: The True Eugenics" (August 1928) - From the Birth Control Review.

    Quote the whole message of her "American Birth Control League " .

    Do some research of her board members and their quotes- Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. He described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." Dr. Harry Laughlin, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains."

    Sweet people.

    You left out one of her more favorite themes in the booklet 'What every boy and girl should' know the first pamphlet she publiched for youth'-

    "It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stoop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them."

    If you want some links, just google Sanger/eugenics
     
  4. rimrocker

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    What exactly are my abortion views rhester?
     
  5. rhester

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    Your right, shouldn't have implied such. I apologize.

    Ms. Sanger is not one of my heroes.

    Don't like her work at all. I have read alot of her work. I would call her a racist. She and her board worked hard for eugenics and their organization turned into planned parent hood and minorities have been especially targeted and disproportionately victimized ever since, now it is a global vendetta.

    IMHO

    There are several organizations of minorities who have tried to share this info about Sanger and planned parenthood... could look up the websites later...

    again, sorry for that
     
  6. hotballa

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    thanks for the info guys. This is a lot of stuff for me to digest.

    BTW rhester, with respect to your minority organizations with opinions on Sanger, I got the quotes in my initial post from blackgenocide.com. I do nt know anything aobut this site other than the name. I'm not even sure if it's advocating a genocide or alerting us to one.
     
  7. professorjay

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    Just FYI for those who don't know (not saying those who referenced it here don't), but Wikipedia is completely user submitted. So I always get a little nervous when some people assume Wiki is a completely factual source (not saying people who referenced it here did).

    And I'm not saying whatever it says on Sanger or Planned Parenthood or chocolate doughnuts isn't true, but it just seems like polarizing figures are more likely to have inaccurate stubs. In fact more likely than not they are all mostly fairly accurate, I'm just saying... Carry on ;)
     
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    I recently heard about the latest accusation against Planned Parenthood, brought by a Pro-life group from Dallas. Apparently, Planned Parenthood refuses to report statutory rape that they know about, even where required. They have an audio recording of a "sting operation" that they set up. They had an actor pretend to be 13 and impregnated by her 22-year-old boyfriend and is seeking an abortion. Most of the Planned Parenthood workers give the girl ideas about how to cover it up, rather than report it.

    Read about it and listen to the recording here: http://www.childpredators.com/

    If this is representative, it's really bad for PP.
     
  9. giddyup

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    I wonder how many calls they made? On this audio, it's 100% protecting the boy/man... and it's close to 20 different PPers. Their dis-interest in the illegality suggested is uniformly expressed.
     
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    I don't think they're required to tell anyone actually. I thought there was some sort of controversey over the introduction of that kind of law in Pennsylvania. I know that they didn't ask my ex-gf for identity or her age. They just accepted her high school id which showed that she was a sophmore.
     
  11. Sishir Chang

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    I can't speak for a Planned Parenthood advocating eugenics but if Planned Parenthood's secret agenda is to wipe out minorities and the poor through abortion and advocating birth control it has backfired on them. Access to abortion and birth control has been much easier, and probably used more, for the educated and white than it has to the poor and minorities. In Europe the white population is declining partly due to white educated European women choosing to put off and limit childbirth.
     
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    Just to be sure how it works carefully check how these are reported for example in the US- hispanics are often included with whites to skew the numbers-

    1997 US ABORTION STATS INDICATE MINORITIES ESPECIALLY TARGETED
    WASHINGTON, Dec 12, 2000 (LSN.ca) - The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have released statistics on US abortions in 1997. They note there were 1,186,039 surgical abortions reported in 1997, a decline of three per cent from 1996. While mainstream media outlets are reporting that a majority of women aborting babies were white, the statement is misleading and apparently contrived to hide the fact that abortion centers disproportionately target black and Hispanic communities.

    Among women whose race was reported (from 39 reporting areas), approximately 56% of women who obtained legal induced abortions were white, but Hispanics are also included in the "white" category. Clarity on the issue is seen as the report notes "The abortion ratio for black women was 543 per 1,000 live births, 2.8 times the ratio for white women (194 per 1,000 live births)." If Hispanic women were excluded from the "white" category that already very significant difference would increase dramatically. Also the "abortion rate for black women (32 per 1,000 women) was 2.9 times the rate for white women (11 per 1,000 women)." The abortion ratio for women of other races (Asian/Pacific Islander, American Indian, Alaskan Native, and women classified as "other" race) was 1.8 times the ratio for white women.

    The figures also note that most aborting women were under the age of 25, and unmarried. Half of the abortions were repeat abortions.


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  13. Rocket River

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    Black folx worked in the Tuskeegee Experiment as well

    Rocket RIver
     
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    ugh...
     
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    That doesn't address Chang's point at all.
     
  16. rhester

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    glad you 'ugh'...

    one of most painful subjects to ponder
     
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    While that might be true for the US that isn't true for Europe where birth rates have been declining.
     
  18. rhester

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    It could also be the difference between the intention and the result.

    If PP has the underlying value of birth control and has (in hidden agenda) disproportionately affected minorities, it would not be a surprise if the ideological and educational efforts have impacted all women and those efforts would have a greater impact upon any group who embraced the message from an educational impact.

    So if Europeans have the same values concerning family planning that PP espouses that would in no way be an indicator of the intentions of PP toward minorities. That would only show the 'collateral damage' of the ideas, education and government and media support of their programs upon European whites.

    Declining birthrates- as the decline in the avg. number of children per family have been declining for the last 40 yrs.

    Still doesn't necessarily show the picture of any bias or target of minorities.
     

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