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Consensual blowjob from a minor= 10 years

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Dec 18, 2006.

  1. basso

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    sorry of this makes you uncomfortable batman, but then, the two participants don't appear to have been married, and the recipient was only 17.

    http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2006_12_17-2006_12_23.shtml#1166468931

    [rquoter]Ten Years in Prison for 17-Year-Old Who Had Consensual Oral Sex with 15-Year-Old:

    The Georgia Supreme Court just upheld this. The sentence strikes me as unduly harsh even on its own terms, but it seems especially unjustifiable given that:

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    The age of consent in Georgia is 16.
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    In 2006, the Georgia Legislature amended the statute to provide that oral sex between an under-18-year-old and a 13-to-15-year-old is only a misdemeanor, with a maximum penalty of a year in jail. This revised statute would have thus made the defendant's conduct a misdemeanor had he committed his crime after the statute's enactment, but the statute expressly provided that it wasn't retroactive.
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    Even at the time the act occurred, genital sex between an under-18-year-old and a 14-or-15-year-old was also a misdemeanor.
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    This defendant had no criminal record that would justify an especially long sentence.

    Here's a brief opinion from presiding justice Carol W. Hunstein:

    Wilson was convicted of aggravated child molestation based upon an act of oral sodomy performed on him by victim T.C., which was documented on videotape and seems to show that the victim's participation in the act was voluntary. Wilson was 17 years old at the time of the act; the victim was 15 years old. Pursuant to the version of the aggravated child molestation statute then in effect, Wilson was sentenced to ten years imprisonment without possibility of parole. See former OCGA § 16-6-4 (d) (1).

    In 2006, the Legislature amended OCGA § 16-6-4 to provide, inter alia, that aggravated child molestation involving an act of sodomy is only a misdemeanor when the victim is between 13 and 16 years of age and the convicted person is 18 years of age or younger and is no more than four years older than the victim. OCGA § 16-6-4 (d) (2). Although the situation in this case would fall within the ambit of the current statute, which became effective July 1, 2006, while Wilson's appeal from the affirmance of his conviction by the Court of Appeals was pending before this Court, see Ga. L. 2006, p. 379, § 11/HB 1059, the Legislature expressly chose not to allow the provisions of the new amendments to affect persons convicted under the previous version of the statute. See id. at § 30 (c). Accordingly, while I am very sympathetic to Wilson's argument regarding the injustice of sentencing this promising young man with good grades and no criminal history to ten years in prison without parole and a lifetime registration as a sexual offender because he engaged in consensual oral sex with a 15-year-old victim only two years his junior, this Court is bound by the Legislature's determination that young persons in Wilson's situation are not entitled to the misdemeanor treatment now accorded to identical behavior under OCGA § 16-6-4 (d) (2).


    The sentence sounds mandated by state statute, and I don't think there's any Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause problem here. One can argue that the distinction between between genital sex and oral sex violates the Equal Protection Clause, but while this argument was accepted in a related context by the California Supreme Court, which held that the distinction lacked a rational basis, it was rejected by the Georgia Supreme Court in Odett v. State, 541 S.E.d 29 (2001), on the grounds that "General Assembly could reasonably conclude that the psychological well-being of minors is more damaged by acts of sodomy than by acts of intercourse" — not very plausible grounds, I think, but likely sufficient to pass the rational basis test (see also this related item from the California Appellate Report blog). The equal protection argument also seems to have been procedurally forfeited, because it wasn't raised until after the guilty verdict; and while the defendant might have argued that there's an equal protection violation in treating pre-2006 actors differently from post-2006 ones, that argument likely wouldn't work, either, and in any event likely wouldn't have been made.

    But while the conviction is constitutionally permissible, it hardly seems like a just result. This is so even given that the sex here was public and videotaped and thus more likely to have been psychologically and emotionally injurious to the girl. Such uncharged and even not independently illegal aspects may be relevant in evaluating the overall moral fairness (though not legal validity) of the sentence, but they nonetheless don't seem sufficient to justify a 10-year-term here — especially when the same conduct would have been treated so much more lightly had it happened after the statute was changed, and had it involved genital sex (which tends to be more dangerous for the girl in various ways than oral sex).

    The courts seem to have done their job right here, but the legislature didn't, and quite possibly the prosecutors didn't (though I realize that this raises complex questions about prosecutorial obligations). I hope, with Doug Berman (Sentencing Law & Policy), that the Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles would correct this injustice. [/rquoter]
     
  2. Batman Jones

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    No worries, basso. As I've already explained to you, I don't have any opinion about married sex as distinct from unmarried sex. I'm just grossed out by the idea of you having sex -- you know, because you're gross. I love sex, for the record. It's probably my favorite thing. I just don't see much point in chatting about it with a bunch of male basketball fans. I was never the type to enjoy hitting strip clubs with a bunch of buddies or circle jerks either.
     
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    Dang, this kid is a sex offender for life for getting a BJ from a freshman. Gotta love those sodomy laws. That absolutely sucks (no pun intended).
     
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    i do find it odd that my first post caused you to picture me having sex, since that wasn't my intention. i merely mentioned i was going to get laid a s curative for being so "embarrassed" by you. leaving aside for the moment you deciding when i'm embarrassed, i'm fascinated this apparently caused such troubling images in your mind. in all your many protestations about how much sex you're having, how much you enjoy sex, i never once imagined you and your "beautiful girlfirend" actually in flagrante delicto...hmmmm.
     
  5. basso

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    it does, but i wonder who made the video tape, and who apparently turned it over to authorities? it looks like there's no hope for appeal either, although i suppose the law itself could be challenged.

    Sam, you're the legal expert, what kind of recourse does the defendant have?
     
  6. Batman Jones

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    I only infer from you repeatedly going poof whenever I or someone else squashes one of your charges that you are embarassed. If you're not actually embarassed, maybe it's something else. I can only guess after you go poof.

    So it's weird in your universe that you saying "I got laid three times" makes me think of you getting laid? Hmm. Interesting.

    Is this repeated use of quotes around "beautiful girlfriend" meant to imply that she's not beautiful, not a girl, not my girlfriend or doesn't exist? What is that even supposed to be? And for someone that talks about sex here a lot more than I do, what's implied by "protestations?" And what is your weird, now years-long obsession with my sex life? The only thing I can think of is that when we went for drinks I told you I was excited about a new girl and hoped it would work out. It did and we dated for several months and then we broke up because we couldn't make a long distance thing work. And while I was dating that girl, you started making repeated references to me never getting laid and needing to get laid. I said I was getting laid and thanks for asking and you started this crusade of accusing me of protesting to much. You are a freak.
     
  7. A-Train

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    Come on, what is the number one rule? Pics, people!!

    Oh wait, this was a BJ...never mind...
     
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    S*x is like Nike. You just do it, but don't talk about it.
     
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    Well, I can probably tell you that. The best recourse would be the Supreme Court, but I doubt the Roberts Court would take the case. The original quotation included Volokh's analysis:

    I don't know if the Supreme Court would buy the equal protection argument regarding the difference between genital and oral sex. It would require an expansion of policy from Lawrence v. Texas, a fairly unlikely scenerio with the new Court.
     
  10. basso

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    given the number of times i've posted in the BalaCk Hussein Osama thread, i'm not sure how one could say i've gone "poof." i occasionally have to go "work", "get a life", and yes "get laid," and all three of these pursuits interfere somewhat with my posting.
     
  11. Batman Jones

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    You can go poof while still posting by repeatedly ignoring questions repeatedly posed to you. Like you did here.
     
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    Lawrence didn't invlove oral sodomy? so i'm assuming this would require a strikedown of the georgia sodomy law, which hasn't been invalidated by Lawrence?
     
  13. basso

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    what questions have i ignored here? yours above seem rhetorical.
     
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    No, Lawrence involved the differentiation between homosexual and heterosexual sodomy. Sodomy laws are constitutional under Lawrence as long as they apply equally to all sexual orientations.

    If the Court were to reverse this case, then it would have to evaluate specific sex acts and equate them to each other, i.e. requiring oral and genital sex to be treated equally under Equal Protection. At that point, you're getting dangerously close to declaring certain sex acts to be constitutionally protected, and thus beyond the reach of state and federal regulation, a position the Court has never taken.
     
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    What is your weird obsession with my sex life?

    Why did you repeatedly insinuate I never got laid?

    What's the third grade junk about my "nightly masturbation ritual?"

    What's the third grade junk about me being gay because I work in theater?

    How is informing you I was actually getting laid a protestation?

    What's meant by the repeated quotes around "beautiful girlfriend?" (Is it not okay with you that I find my girlfriend to be beautiful? Or is it one of the other ridiculous assertions?)

    And how is "I got laid three times" not supposed to make me think of you getting laid (gag)?

    I've got ten or so more for you in the Obama thread in which you love to pretend everything's groovy and you haven't been stomped on each of your ridiculous Felix=Jewish junk.
     
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    cat-fight!

    As far as the subject of this thread: That sentence seems to long. If I was the judge, I would have sentenced the kid to no time at all. Or maybe made him do some kind of community service...like teaching a class to high school dorks on how to get a BJ from high school chicks.
     
  17. basso

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    i just want you to be happy.

    you're possible the most uptight, egocentric, individual i've ever met- there's no way you're getting laid.

    everybody needs a release now and then.

    i didn't say, or insinuate you're gay. i just wanted to let you know you've got options.

    See second bullet above.

    assuming your girlfriend exists, i'm delighted she's beautiful. she needs to let you sex her though.

    dunno, try thinking of baseball. ok, it's the bottom of the ninth, two out, and mccovey's on third...
     
  18. giddyup

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    Maybe an AP class? :D
     
  19. basso

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    and you can bet if the genders were reversed, there wouldn't even have been a prosecution.
     
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    this is so stupid. The girl should be able to say that she doesn't want the guy to go to jail. So stupid.
     

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