I have been a big supporter of Hayes and have been a hammer on Juwan and his abysmal +/- numbers, etc. But after 21 games there are some interesting numbers, Hayes has had a few poor games and Juwan has stepped up and improved his +/- numbers and his rebounding. Stat comparisons are interesting: Hayes 373 min to Juwan 368. ALmost dead on. Or 21.9 mpg vs 19.4. Hayes 91 pts on 75 shots, Juwan 88 pts on 88 shots. This despite Juwan shooting FT's at 20 of 20, and Hayes only 11-23. Hayes fg% .533 vs .386 for Jho. Hayes 7.1 rpg vs 5.6 Jho. Juwan more assists, Hayes more steals, Hayes 4-1 on blocks, 18 vs 17 on TO's. Hayes wins at fouls. But if Juwan can keep his engine in gear at 20 mpg and Hayes can get over his rookie hump here on fouling and get his offense back in gear - what are we getting from these two together? 10 points, 12.7 rb's, some steals, and the occasional block. And energy if they both play fresh. Juwan cannot handle 30+ mpg anymore and produce the whole time. Hayes needs more seasoning, time to learn and overcome mistakes. If Juwan can get his flat field goals arced a bit more and get his % up closer to 50% then we could be getting 12 ppg, and 13-14 rpg from these two. And energy. Not bad platoon numbers.
The main reason to platoon them is because Chuck has hit a brick wall the last few games. Juwan has played well lately but it won't last. At some point he will hit the skids and his production will tank. If Chuck doesn't pull it together, we are in trouble at the PF position.
I'm not sure. I think Juwan could be very effective on the boards for the rest of the season if we can limit his minutes to the 14-18 range...plus he is a lifetime .468 shooter. So his shot is bound to improve as his court time becomes more consistent. The key is Keeping Chuck on the floor for 30+ minutes a game. Hopefully he will cut down on the dumb fouls and also start getting some respect from the Refs. Give me Hayes for 32 and Howard for 16 and I think we will be getting the best of a bad situation at power forward. Now about our point guard situation...
That 46.8 FG% looks nice, but he's actually been below average for his career in scoring efficiency (points scored per scoring attempt), and particularly the last two seasons with Houston. He doesn't make threes, and he doesn't get a lot of free throws. Those types of player need to either have a very high FG% (over 50%) or do a lot of other things well to be a really effective player.
Believe me, I wish we had a younger, more athletic power forward. I think it will be imperative to acquire one in the off season...as this will likely be Juwan's last year of being an effective rotation player.
Has anyone Chuck's stats before the injury and after the injury. I have a feeling that he is quite far from his pre-injury form. Should we give him time to heel and probably lose game or two more and be sure that he will be 100% in play offs?
Before we get excited about Juwan's recent "numbers"- please remember the defensive liability is. Too often people use stats without any reference to Differential- The defensive snafus that Juwan contributes to are not captured in the typical stats you look at. Hayes on the other hand is an energizer bunny- if he ever gets a jump shot that would be fantastic- but he is not a financial bottleneck. We should look to trade Juwan with Bob Sura's expiring contract- or perhaps even include Rafer if we get a Solid PG and a decent PF. Rafer is good for a back up role- but his problem is consistency.
Durvasa the people who are capable of understanding this by now have already done so, the rest are just going to whine and moan about being disloyal to Juwan and wax poetic about his mid range jumper. He has played better on defense and rebounded better than I anticipated lately though, so props to him for that.
One of the things contributing to Juwan's lower-than-career-average shooting efficiency could be that he was not a starter in many games and did not played many minutes in those games he played this season. Some players are instant offensive spark plugs like Ben Gordon and "Microwave" Vinny Johnson while many others may need considerable playing time to warm up. I can see Juwan is adjusting himself to his new role pretty well, especially lately. Good to see Juwan is getting some props. Perhaps if elitists are keen to point out mere mortals only know to look at FG%, they may also want to show a bigger picture (sort of speak), not just a couple of eff-related stats.
That might be a valid point, except for the fact that Juwan played tons of minutes last year and posted another awful year with lower than career average shooting efficiency. That also doesn't change the fact that he's been a very low efficiency player (both shooting and overall) for the last 10 years - even during his all-star campaigns he was only slightly above average in terms of efficiency numbers. Feel free to search any of the hundreds of Juwan-related offseason posts that address this issue - though I know that this might interfere with your role in the ongoing "China vs. durvasa" feud that's apparently motivating a lot of this...
Well the fact doesn't quite lend support to your perception. Both Juwan's scoring and shooting efficiencies were actually higher in 05-06 that those in the previous season, and not much lower than his career average. It's a different story so far into this season, though.
LOL, you're right, mathematically it's hard for Juwan to get that much lower than his career averages - because they are so low to begin with. if you schlog a good 5 years or so of playing 30+ minutes a night at lousy efficiency levels, and were never great to begin with, like Juwan, your career average gets dragged down so low that even a straight up awful season like he had last year doesn't look so bad in comparison. This year he's just as bad or worse (and another year older and diminished), so I guess you can say "see? Last year's poop sandwich isn't as tough to swallow as this years crap hoagie, so there's some exterior factor because he ain't getting "enough" minutes to rise from 'abysmal' to 'very bad'", but at the end of the day, you're still eating something you don't want to eat.
Here, here my good man! Well said! So if we gotta drink poopaccino we may as well only do it for 20 mpg rather than for 32 mpg, eh? My point remains that Juwan's first 20 minutes of poopaccino brew has to be better and fresher than the bitter dregs from minutes 21-32. And Hayes is gonna take some time to get his grounds brewed properly so he can last on the floor longer. And maybe we can eventually play some Bonzi Power Guard Super Fudge Chunk in the post longer than 5 minutes here and there?
I don't know, Sam, call me a Juwan supporter or whatever, , but if he ends up playing well for the rest of the season (including the playoffs), I'd like to see a post of photoshopped SamFisher eating a giant poop sandwich, from you, right here.
He's on pace to have the best rebounding-rate of his career. And that's after a poor start to begin the season. I hope he can keep it up, but I'd be very surprised if he's close to his current rate. I'm less enthused about his defense. He seems to be involved (or uninvolved) in a lot of broken defensive efforts. But maybe my perception of him as a poor defensive player makes me focus in on his mistakes.
JH has developed Deke disease - he's so remarkably slow that he's better of not even trying layups when they're available. It's like inviting any guard within 20 yards to pick up a freebie steal. Normally, I scream at players not to settle for jumpers. Drive. Put pressure on the defense. Get fouled. JH? I groan whenever he drives. Settle for the jumper big man. Hayes, well, at least he can score in the paint when his hands don't fail him.
Thought I would share this article.. this seemed the most appropriate thread. Someone asked if Chuck's knee is still bothering him.. the answer is yes, according to this article. link
I think Hayes has hit a brick wall on offense because T-mac is not there to feed him those beautifull passes for the easy layin.
Do you think his efficiency to eventually exceed the league average this season? If I'm not mistaken, I believe that would be a first in his career. In December, his scoring efficiency (points per scoring attempt) was 1.05. That's significantly improved over what he was doing in November, true, and also what's he's done the last two seasons. But the league average on the season is still higher at 1.08. If we limit our sample to his last four games, he's done quite well (1.19), but it's probably unrealistic to expect him to sustain that. I generally agree with your point that Juwan's shooting efficiency seems to improve with more minutes. But what's the connection between this and my remark on FG% vs. scoring efficiency?
