the situations are fundamentally different, gunn. the draft pick wasn't a financial matter - mcnair was going to write a fat check regardless of who they picked, so that was strictly a football decision and he let his football people make the call (though he did sign off on it). but carr's extension was both a football AND a financial decision, and mcnair wisely got to work on it sooner rather than later. he couldn't wait until he hired a coach since he had no idea when that might happen. so to invest 1-3 months into carr, to draw a definitive conclusion about carr based on the opinions of people you trust and to then have that opinion confirmed by your new head coach... and then throw that all away and start from scratch with weeks remaining on your deadline is asking a lot, and not very smart. like i said, unfortunately, carr's deadline was february, before they could get knee-deep into draft evaluations. had it been may or june or july... things might have worked out differently. right, and your buddy, jerrah was so universally inept, he had to bring in someone to help pull the franchise out of the abyss... but when mcnair does the same thing... it becomes something for you to rag mcnair on. you're being disingenuous.
its good for the author of that article. they can just spit it out year after year ~ Its not carrs fault give him one more year with weapons....blah blah blah. Insanity is more like it
what's the alternative, MM? that's a sincere question. you don't dump carr just for the sake of dumping him, do you? regardless of cap hit? so what do you do? trust me - you may initially be able to sell "anybody but carr" to the fans, but how long is that gonna last if you start out 0-3 or 2-6 again next year? i mean, i have no answers, but i'm trying to be realistic - my guess is that he'll be here unless kubiak wants to go in a new direction, but then we're back to square one again... if i were a betting man, i would wager on carr being back with kubiak drafting his successor in rounds 2-4...
i know... if you could release or trade him with minimal cap damage, i think they'd definitely explore it. but is anyone willing to dump carr if it ties up $$ we could be spending to fill the various other holes we have...?
I'd rather just eat it and move on with hope verse sticking him out with no hope. Its been 5 years of failure!!! Time to try something new
I think if Carr is to traded this off season then we will never get anything better then 3rd round for him. If we are lucky then maybe 2nd.
i really, truly believe the texans' biggest blunder this past offseason was kubiak putting too much faith in the denver system at the expense of talent. he did upgrade the OL, but not significantly - two third rounders and an aging vet is not enough to shore up a line that has sucked continuously for four consecutive years. he was even more egregious when it came to the running game - he let the DD saga drag for far too long and then reacted passively finding upgrades. as a result, it's a mess. having said that, if i'm kubiak, one stat from this year that should jump out and slap me: the team is 3-3 in games in which my leading rusher gained at least 63 yards (63/game = 1,000) and two of those losses were on the game's final play. in august, we all would have spontaneously combusted in our pants if we had an 8-8 season awaiting us in which we were going to be competitive in nearly 85% of our games. so carr or no carr, my #1 offseason priority would be to upgrade the running game. period.
Wait a minute....I thought Carr was horrible and solely responsible for the Texans losing? A guy that destroyed a franchise for 5 yrs wouldn't be able to get a conditional 7th round pick much less a 2nd round pick. It would be like people saying to trade Howard+Sura for AI. Get it done CD!
Have you guys noticed that if VY had stayed in school one more year, he texans could have drafted him this coming draft, after kubiak would have decided that carr sucks.
Well after last Sunday and an almost certain 0-3 record for the rest of the year (yeah, I don't expect them to beat Cleveland), I just don't see how they can expect any fan support and interest next year if they trot Carr back out even if by some miracle, they manage to successfully retool that pitiful OL. They can continue to ignore the football fans at their peril. Carr's attitude and level of play will be constantly compared to VY's on a weekly basis and if you think it's been a beating this week, try to imagine a whole season of this. It's time for Kubiak & McNair to face facts and swallow their medicine on this one: they gambled on David Carr and lost. It's time to cut their losses, trade him for whatever they can get (probably a 3rd or a 4th round pick) and build from scratch.
obviously i agree. when i say this franchise is a nightmare...included in that is that it's a pr nightmare. i think they have to communicate that they're about making real change this offseason. the saints turned over nearly their entire roster last offseason with a brand new coach. david carr has become a symbol of all that's wrong with this franchise to a lot of people...whether that's fair or not. i can not imagine them trotting him out there again next season.
the bottom line remains winning, not who's leading you to the wins. for all the anger and outrage currently, they're 4-9 with two losses coming on the final play of the game and they were competitive in one other loss (the giants). i truly believe, in august, independent this individual or that one, the organization could have sold a team that was going to be competitive in more than half their games. if you wanted or expected anything more after the 2005 season and all the extensive retooling they did this offseason, you were being unrealistic and/or delusional. add another producitve free agent/draft class to the current nucelus, and this team, yes with david carr if they bring him back, could very easily be 8-8 next year.
