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Very Interesting Rocket Stats

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by gucci888, Dec 12, 2006.

  1. gucci888

    gucci888 Member

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    What is the Lenovo Stat?
    The Lenovo Stat shows the power of teamwork. It's a way of showing the best-engineered/best combination of players on the court. The Lenovo Stat is a plus/minus statistic that looks at the point differential when players are both in and out of the game, to see how the team performs with various combinations. The Lenovo Stat can look at a variety of combinations – including the best two-player, three-player and even five-player combinations for each game.

    Five-Player Combination
    + 119 T. McGrady, R. Alston, S. Battier, Y. Ming, C. Hayes
    + 60 E. Dampier, D. Nowitzki, J. Terry, J. Howard, D. Harris
    + 56 M. Camby, A. Miller, E. Najera, C. Anthony, J. Smith

    The Rockets top five-player combo is almost twice as good as the next closest team. Houston held on to the No. 1 five-player assemblage by improving from +91 to +119. The number reflects the Rockets' success in the W-L column as they have won eight-of-10. Denver and Dallas flip-flopped in the standings as the Mavericks grabbed the No. 2 spot and the Nuggets fell to third. A note of interest is that Dallas' five have only played in nine games together while Houston's have played in 14 games as a unit and Denver's have played 16 together.


    Four-Player Combination
    + 143 T. McGrady, R. Alston, S. Battier, Y. Ming
    + 133 T. McGrady, R. Alston, S. Battier, C. Hayes
    + 123 R. Alston, S. Battier, Y. Ming, C. Hayes

    The Rockets' foursomes are firing on all cylinders as Houston regained the top three spots. Jeff Van Gundy's four-player pairings have 5 out of the top 6 spots. The Mavericks' Erick Dampier, Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Terry and Devin Harris are +105, making them the only other non-Houston four-player group to have a Lenovo Stat that breaks the century mark.


    Three-Player Combination
    + 162 R. Alston, S. Battier, Y. Ming
    + 154 T. McGrady, R. Alston, S. Battier
    + 143 R. Alston, S. Battier, C. Hayes

    Houston is hot and its three-player combos are even hotter. Rafer Alston, Shane Battier and Yao Ming have played in all 20 of the Rockets' games together this season and their killer chemistry has helped Clutch City to a 14-6 record. Houston dominates this category as it has eight of the top 10 trios. Phoenix has the other two with Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudemire at +136 and Nash, Marion and Leandro Barbosa at +117.


    Two-Player Combination
    + 174 S. Nash, S. Marion
    + 166 R. Alston, S. Battier
    + 158 S. Nash, A. Stoudemire

    Mr. MVP Steve Nash has Phoenix on an 11-game win streak and he has paired with the Matrix (+174) and STAT (+158) to form two of the top three duos. The Rockets are still represented by a pair in the top three, but it is Alston and Battier who are No. 2. Alston and Hayes were No. 1 last week at +130, and even though they improved to +153, they now reside in fourth place.


    One Player
    + 203 T. Duncan
    + 195 S. Nash
    + 157 S. Battier

    Last week Nash took the top spot from Duncan. This week, Duncan took it back. Timmy D holds a slim lead over Steve Nasty, and a new Rocket entered the top three with Battier taking the place of last week's No. 2 Hayes who is now in eighth. The top 23 individual Lenovo performers come from the Western Conference. The East's No. 1 representative is Cleveland's Anderson Varejao who is in 24th at +90.

    http://www.nba.com/news/Lenovo_Breakdown_061212.html
     
  2. gucci888

    gucci888 Member

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    Battier's individual difference is the most suprising to me. For a guy who only score 8ppg, I think this shows why JVG and co. wanted Battier so bad.
     
  3. kokopuffs

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    wow! :eek: 5 of the top 6 four-player rotations?

    Why aren't we 20-0?
     
  4. ipaman

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    compare our benches against the other top teams. outside of luther head, it's weak. maybe with bonzi back and a healty t-mac we will go undefeated the rest of the way :D
     
  5. A_3PO

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    I'm surprised you don't know. According to some, you can blame any problem the Rockets have on either JVG or Juwan Howard.
     
  6. bob718

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    These kinds of stats only show that how great Tmac or Battier are COMPARED to our bench.
     
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    Rafer and Battier are the only two common denominators between all the rotations. What does that say?

    1. That this stat is basically useless because Rafer and Battier certainly are no cornerstone to a winning team.

    Or.

    2. All the haters bashing the Rafer Alston and Battier trades should go suck it.

    Not sure which side of the line I fall on. :)
     
  8. kokopuffs

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    Rafer earns a pass merely because of that sick fake-behind-the-pass-layup against the wizards. That was just awesome.
     
  9. codell

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    or 3. T-Mac and Yao (cornerstones) are at their best when Battier and Rafer are on the floor with them
     
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    Here's to hoping Novak and VSpan develop in quality bench players.. then we'll really be a force.
     
  11. slowmustang

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    I would venture to say that Battier's defense against Lebron, Morrison skyrocketed his rating.
     
  12. smoothie

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    i agree. lets not forget about snyder too. he's still very young.
     
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    I think this maybe true and I would add guys like Hayes or Snyder also.
    These guys are good complement players who do all the dirty work that allow our stars to shine.
     
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    Now now.. lets not forget the 2 SP's: Scott Padget and Scotty Quitten :)
     
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    It is nice to see JHo step it up the last coupla games and put up some decent numbers and play with some fire. Now if only he can keep it up, I for one will be willing to admit that Jho sucked the 1st 17 games but then he improved. :D

    One reason JHo does not foul his man as much as Hayes does, is JHo is usually not that close to the man he is guarding. Sunglasses. :cool:
     
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    Why do people keep saying this? It has nothing to do with what the bench does. It's simply point differential with the player(s) on the court.
     
  17. krosfyah

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    But TMac and Yao are NOT a common denominator in these stats as one might expect. So while TMac and Yao are at their best, they are not the most productive with regards to Lenovo.

    So either Lenovo stats are crap or Rafer/Battier trades were the two best trades in Rockets history.
     
  18. codell

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    Its easy to dismiss 1 and 2 man units

    Its not to dismiss 4 and 5 man units, and T-Mac and Yao are part of both of those.

    Battier and Alston are mere beneficiaries in this. Look beyond the stats.
     
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    Although I think of these stats as 'fun' stats (not to be taken seriously, but interesting to look at nonetheless), it seems to incidentally quantify 'hustle'. Battier and Hayes rank highly which is great. But Varejao showing up as the East's leader actually made me take notice. I'm a diehard Cavs fan too (I'm was born in Cle, I've got the Mark Price/Brad Daugherty rookie cards to prove it) and I think Varejao is a major glue guy in the same mold of Hayes/Battier. Interesting stuff.
     
  20. durvasa

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    I wanted to dig a little deeper into this. Take it for what it's worth:

    Using data here:

    Code:
    A1: with Alston, Yao, and McGrady
    A2: with Alston, but without Yao and/or McGrady
    A3: with Yao and McGrady, but without Alston
    B1: with Battier, Yao, and McGrady
    B2: with Battier, but without Yao and/or McGrady
    B3: with Yao and McGrady, but without Battier
    H1: with Hayes, Yao, and McGrady
    H2: with Hayes, but without Yao and/or McGrady
    H3: with Yao and McGrady, but without Hayes
    
    [B]Combination   Min   TmPts   OppPts    +/- per 48min[/B]
    A1            1684  887     772       +3.28
    A2            1176  566     531       +1.43
    A3            313   155     180       -3.83
    B1            1728  917     803       +3.17
    B2            1165  546     510       +1.48
    B3            269   125     149       -4.28
    H1            830   447     358       +5.15
    H2            526   250     230       +1.83
    H3            1167  595     594       +0.04
    
    A1,A3, B1, B3, and H1, H3 indicate that Alston, Battier, and Hayes are not mere beneficieries. The McGrady&Yao combination works far better (in terms of team point differential) with those players on the court than without them. Further, A2, B3, and H2 show that these three players aren't dependent on having both Yao and McGrady on the court (they have a positive +/- even without both of them alongside them).
     

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