[Chron]Gundy: Players should enjoy win + Spanoulis wasn't good

If JVG has the idea to trade Vspan, I will have no interest in Rockets any more. He is our potential star player and ready to be the 3rd key factor. Any trade on him is unacceptable.

 

unless we can get lebron james in return...

but seriously though, i agree that span has a potential to be a borderline all star in this league.

 

finals game 7

10 seconds left... tie game....

the Greek guy drives beats his man... draws defenders dumps it to the

American guy... spins drives fakes the shot...

pass behind the back to the Chinese guy...easy DUNK

the ROX win the ROX win the ROX win

 

I guess that's why JVG walked out on one of those great harmonious teams.

You give JVG more credit than even he gives himself. I will agree that JVG is a good coach but he is far from the great genius that you make him out to be. The problem I see with JVG is that he is too much of a systems coach and not a player's coach in that he only feels comfortable with players that play a particular way that he likes. Rudy T was the opposite that he was a players coach who adapted the game to the players he had, sometimes too much. I think it takes JVG time to feel out a player and decide if he trust them or not. What's happened now with V-Span and last year with Head is that injuries have forced him to speed things up and in both cases I think JVG himself has been pleasently surprised.

OTOH you seem to be making this out as some grand scheme by JVG. Tell me do you think JVG in his prescient brilliance forsaw that Snyder would be injured so he could bring in V-Span now? I don't think so and JVG's own comments don't indicate anything like that. JVG's comments indicate he felt compelled to play V-Span due to injury and if not for that its unlikely V-Span would be playing.

 

I think JVG knew he's give VSPAN a chance eventually when the situation arised.

There are always injuries that creat opportunities. Broken hands, twisted ankles, flu-like symptoms, no player makes it through 82 games with very rare expection. JVG knows this. So yes, in a way, he knows VSPAN will get his chance.


JVG walked out on the NY Knicks management - he knew the management wasn't capable of producing a winning team or getting the talent needed to win. But he did the best he could with a lottery team, taking them to the playoffs each year. That's an incredible feat.

 

JVG finally realized Vspan is serviceable. When is he gonna realize that both Bonzi and Novak can help too?

Play a 9-10 men rotation, keep the players less fatigue, they are less likely to get injured.

 

JVG's Jedi-like Yearly Planner:

WHILE Injuries = TRUE

IF Snyder breaks hand
THEN Insert VSpan

IF Hayes hyperextends knee
THEN Insert Juwan

IF Juwan breaks knee cap
THEN insert Padgett

IF [(Padget has flu) &
(Hayes remains out) &
(Juwan cant find a replacement knee) &
(Is is full moon) &
(Pizza gets here by 8) &
(Toilet flushes automatically at 9)]

THEN Think about letting Novak sniff soome court time.

WHILE Injuries = FALSE

(Let 'em Decompose on the bench)
OR
(Trade them for a Veteran has been)

 

You are correct on this but do you think JVG predicted NOW would be the time a guard would be injured leading to the insertion of V-Span into the lineup? You make it sound as though JVG knew the precise time when V-Span would be ready which again reading JVG's comments would indicate anything but.

I'm sure management had a thing to do with it but again to walk out on a team is hardly the sign of a great motivational genuis coach that you make him out to be. If anything that reinforces my own opinion that he is a systems coach and once he felt that the management and team weren't buying into his system he was gong to pack it up.

 

We have a pretty good team, but I still do not think we have a Championship caliber team unless we make a trade. The good thing is that we finally have nice tradeable assets. I would start trying to trade Bonzi. But if no one wants him (likely) then we have to look at other possibilities: VSpan, Head, Novak. I really love VSpan, finally someone in the team that plays with energy. But if a good trade comes up we might have to sacrifice players we love.

 

well damn


dont I feel stupid.

I dont even remember Don as being in NY...cause RIley was the coach when the ROckets took out the Knicks in 94

and VG took over NY in 96

so its understandable that I dont remember that short span of time Don was there.

anywho...thats what I get for posting without factchecking.

and the other remark.

well, lets just say I was unsure of your abilities as a poster after that stuff in D&D, but your ROckets takes so far this season have been solid.

so yes..it was a compliment.

 

For Novak to have a chance to play, someone has to get an injure. The best way to make this happen is to have Howard injured by himself. Though this is a kidding, it is not a bad idea to think about.

 

OK, then do you remember the "devastation left behind" by Rudy T and that was inherited by JVG? A trip down memory lane would cause any reasonably objective person to give credit to JVG for immediately getting the Rockets into the playoffs and then in the second year improving the team's season record. But you no doubt criticize JVG for last year and you have no interest in being fair. You apparently expect an NBA coach to win with Howard, Bowen, Deke, Rafer, and Bowen. Never mind that even Red Auerbach couldn't do it, JVG is expected to do it. It is impossible to be objective when you Hate!

 

I have a feeling that Novak's time is about to come and rockets 3pt stat is about to boost!!!

 

rockets is already the one of the top 3 3pt shooting teams in the league. if novak plays...

 

Per New Yorker:

"Actually, JVG took over from Don Nelson....Nelson had a short stint after Riley left.

Thanks I guess...that's a compliment right?????? "

If I correctly recall-Nellie experienced mutiny by players. Nellie started throwing his weight around and PAtrick Ewing backed VanGundy as coach. The Knicks had a team loaded with veteran talent. they paid out a lot of money to get Larry Johnson, Alan Houston, Chris Childs.

Van Gundy was in the right place at the right time. He fell into the job. To his credit he did get them to the finals and I like his defensve coaching. He preaches the fundamentals and clean execution.

It's not like he lifted the Knicks out of the ashes when he arrived.

I support and accept Van Gundy as the Coach because I am a Rocket team fan.

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If JVG was such a great coach, why couldn't he make it back to the finals the next year with almost exactly the same team? No, 1999 was a fluke.

Talk about spin. JVG quit when the Knicks were 10-9 because he saw the looming disaster and decided to leave some other coach holding the bag. What future was there for a team whose best players were a gimply Allan Houston, a slower 30 year old Latrell Sprewell, and an ancient 36 year old Mark Jackson? For JVG surveying the wasteland he had made of his team, it was clearly time to leave.

In JVG's seven years with the Knicks, they had exactly two (2) picks in the first round. All the others were traded away in accordance with JVG's "win now and damn the future" philosophy. Well, he didn't win. And when the little baldie finally quit, the Knicks had no future either. That was why he quit. I really, really don't want the same thing to happen to our team.

If you can't win them over with facts, as I do, baffle them with bullsh*t.

 

Rudy T left behind two immensely promising young stars in Yao and Francis, and one pretty good young player in Mobley. It's just about the farthest thing from "devastation" I can imagine.

In contrast, JVG had exactly two (2) picks in the first round during his seven-year tenure with the Knicks. All of the other first rounders were traded away because of his "win now and damn the future" philosophy. Consequently, when JVG finally quit, the Knicks were left with the 36 year old Mark Jackson, the 30 year old Latrell Sprewell, and a gimpy, aging Allan Houston. And that was it: no young stars to look forward to, and many of the future first round picks were also gone. No present and no future: that is devastation.

I really don't want JVG to repeat his mismanagement with the Rockets, which is why I urge everybody here to look beyond the next game, beyond even the next season.

 

D&D is more about passing time - the Rocks are serious stuff.

 

JVG didn't make the personel decisions with the Knicks. He didn't mismanage the team - he played the hand he was dealt the best he could.

I don't think JVG has made great adjustments to this team. Getting T-mac and the evolution of this team has been fantastic. I don't think we can be upset with how JVG and CD have worked together to create a contender.

 

If I were JVG (thank goodness I'm not) I might trade V-Span for Steve Nash, but that's about it...

I know its like beating a dead horse, but I really hope the Rockets ship Bonzi off some place where they will take his bad attitude in exchange for someone that could actually contribute to the team.