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Six Imams Kicked off US Air Flight

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  1. Sishir Chang

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    From the Minneapolis Startribune.

    http://www.startribune.com/462/story/826056.html

    Uproar follows imams' detention
    The removal of six Muslim clerics from a US Airways flight from the Twin Cities set off a nationwide uproar, and the Department of Homeland Security's Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties said it will review the incident.
    Bob Von Sternberg and Pamela Miller, Star Tribune
    Last update: November 21, 2006 – 9:43 PM

    From now on, Omar Shahin won't be praying at the airport while waiting for a flight.
    "This was humiliating, the worst moment of my life," Shahin said Tuesday, a day after he and five fellow Muslim imams were escorted off a US Airways jet at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

    "To practice your faith and pray is a crime in America?" he said.

    The incident set off a nationwide uproar, and the Department of Homeland Security's Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties said it will review the incident.

    Bloggers and talk radio buzzed about the need to be vigilant against potential terrorists, while civil rights advocates and Muslim leaders cried foul. The national Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called for a congressional hearing about ethnic and religious profiling at airports.

    Locally, the Jewish Community Relations Council of Minnesota and the Dakotas and the Somali Justice Advocacy Center questioned the detention.

    Bushra Khan, spokeswoman for CAIR's Arizona chapter, said, "All these men did was pray, and it was misunderstood. The bottom line is that they were Middle Eastern-looking men ... and that scares some people."

    US Airways said that it will fully investigate the matter and that passenger safety is paramount.

    The religious leaders were heading home after a three-day North American Imams Federation conference in Bloomington.

    The pilot ordered the men off the flight after their praying, conversation and behavior alarmed several passengers and flight attendants.

    The imams denied that they did or said anything that could be considered threatening. They were released without charges after being questioned for five hours by federal law enforcement officials.

    Left behind by US Airways

    Shahin, president of the imams' group, called for a boycott of US Airways after an agent and his supervisor, without giving a reason, refused to sell him replacement tickets Tuesday morning.

    "I'm not going to stay silent," Shahin said. "I came to this country to enjoy justice and freedom."

    The US Airways supervisor told Shahin that his tickets had been refunded and that he would have to go to another airline. The supervisor offered Shahin a customer service phone number.

    "I want to go home. I don't want phone numbers," Shahin said. "They have no reason to refuse service to us just because of the way we look."

    He bought six one-way tickets at the Northwest Airlines counter, and the men flew to Phoenix without incident.

    'Praying very loud'

    In a statement to police, a US Airways gate agent wrote that three of the men prayed in Arabic at the gate. "I was suspicious by the way they were praying very loud," the gate agent said.

    Said Shahin: "We were never bothering anyone, not saying anything loudly. We were just prostrating ourselves, the normal way we pray."

    Devout Muslims pray five times a day, but practices vary among cultural groups, said Owais Bayunus, a Muslim scholar in the Twin Cities.

    "Those who pray in the airport would be more conservative Muslims who stop to pray at the designated times no matter where they are," he said. "Others accept the fatwa [an opinion by an Islamic legal scholar] that it is acceptable to combine the prayers during travel."

    Before passengers boarded, one became alarmed by an overheard discussion. "They seemed angry," he wrote in a police statement. "Mentioned 'U.S.' and 'killing Saddam.' Two men then swore slightly under their breath/mumbled. They spoke Arabic again. The gate called boarding for the flight. The men then chanted 'Allah, Allah, Allah.' "

    Marwan Sadeddin, another of the imams, said, "What bothers me the most is these false statements and lies that we were shouting, 'Allah, Allah.' This never happened."

    Another, Ahmad Shqeirat, said, "That is a lie. We were not talking politics. And even if we did, so what? What is suspicious about that?"

    Once the six were seated, two in front, two in the middle and two in back, and paid visits to each other to chat, some passengers became alarmed, the police report said. One passed a note to a flight attendant citing the alleged comments about Allah and Saddam.

    Flight attendants alerted the pilot, who called airport police and asked them to remove the men from the plane. They left "cooperatively," according to the police report.

    A bomb-sniffing dog examined the men, their luggage and the entire airplane and found nothing. The plane left for Phoenix about three hours late after the other 141 passengers reboarded.

    After being questioned by agents of the U.S. Marshals Service, the FBI, the Secret Service and the Transportation Security Administration, the men were released.

    Asad Zaman, communications director for the Muslim American Society (MAS) of Minnesota, said an Arizona MAS chapter member called him for help about 11 p.m. Monday because the six imams had not arrived and one had called his wife to say police had detained them.

    Within 10 minutes of a Minnesota imam's call to police, the six were free, Zaman said.

    "This event would be the equivalent of Roman Catholic bishops being arrested in China because they wore clerical robes and invoked Jesus Christ in prayers," Zaman said.


    vonste@startribune.com • 612-673-7184 pmiller@startribune.com • 612-673-4290
     
  2. Air Langhi

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    Can't wait till someone says 9-11 changed everything.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    This is pretty sad.....but I would be in favor of banning public prayer at airports.

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  4. kryten128

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    It's a stretch to say that this is Bush's fault.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    You a Hardcore Atheist?

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  7. El_Conquistador

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    Um, no it's not. Last I checked, Roman Catholics weren't hijacking planes, threatening to wipe Israel off the map, and wishing death upon countries they don't like.

    Look, we have to make sacrifices for the War on Terror. If that means hurting a few peoples' feelings, then so be it. If you are unwilling to make very small sacrifices (especially in a friggin airport) for the cause, then you are not committed to fighting terror. Everyone must do their part. This stupid "my feelings were hurt" act is getting old.
     
  8. MadMax

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    eh, what the hell. let's get rid of the entire bill of rights, while we're at it. they're such a nuisance. i'm so tired of everyone saying their feelings are hurt by government officials who clearly never do anything wrong; never overstep their authority.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Imam's weren't hijacking planes here either. If you are willing to sacrifice American ideals, and freedoms, then you are not committed to being a patriotic American.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Well, you knew the mindless "let's chunk the bill of rights" comment was only minutes away...

    Look, no one is chunking the bill of rights. What happened here was that passengers on the plane profiled these Muslims as fitting the very well established profile of a terrorist. An airport is a place where people are more sensitive to situations such as this. This is a defense mechanism that is innate in all of us -- it's called the survival instinct. This isn't a case of people being racist or even unreasonable. It's an instinctive reaction to what their common sense is telling them.

    These Imams need to use a little common sense themselves. They should know that others will view them as suspicious. They certainly shouldn't have been surprised by any of this. If they were, shame on them. If they weren't, well, then then are feigning ignorance to just cause a stink. Everyone, INCLUDING MUSLIMS, must make sacrifices for the War on Terror. We're not asking much here, folks. For some reason, the people who most fit the 'profile' are apparently the least willing to help out here. It should be the reverse.
     
  11. Master Baiter

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    There is a right place and time for everything. If you are a Muslim and decide to drop down and pray in the middle of an airport, get ready for someone to freak out. No one knows if they said anything inflammatory or not. Even if they didn't, the praying they did is uncomfortable for some and they knew it would be so go do it somewhere in private. Just like people of other religions/no religion need to be more understanding, they also need to promote an environment that doesn't make others uncomfortable. Everyone has to give in a little to meet on common ground. It seems like common sense to me.
     
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    This makes me wonder what the average clutchfan would do if while he/she is sitting on a plane, 6 Muslim man started to chant "Allah, Allah, Allah".

    Until we actually been in one of these situations ourselves, it all too easy to pass off judgment.
     
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    We would sit tight in our seats and cling to the Bill of Rights for comfort, telling ourselves that peoples' feelings are more important than our immediate safety. LOL
     
  14. Sishir Chang

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    Some followup info. The Twin Cities has a surprisingly sizable Muslim population for its size and according to airport officials it isn't rare to see Muslims praying in the airport. The Twin Cities airport doesn't have a chapel and has no regulation regarding praying in the concourse so according to them Muslims, or anyone else, praying isn't a cause for alarm in and of itself.
     
  15. Major

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    What sacrifices have you made, exactly? You're good at giving away other people's rights. Meanwhile, you demand tax cuts so that future generations can pay for the costs of these wars. Doesn't sound to me like you're willing to make any sacrifices.
     
  16. Major

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    You mean like airport personnel giving ground and not caving in to a bunch of people's irrational fears? Or do you mean that just those Imams have to give in a little?
     
  17. Master Baiter

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    I mean exactly what I said.
     
  18. thegary

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    c'mon, he's willing to sacrifice middle-class america, that's something.
     
  19. Major

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    You said a bunch of stuff about how the Imams should be ready for this and should adjust and shouldn't make other people uncomfortable, etc. In what way, exactly, did or should the airport give some ground?
     
  20. jo mama

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    tradertexx, you are a coward.

    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
     

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