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BONZI WELLS: "i didn't come to run a marathon, i came to play basketball"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by thacabbage, Nov 16, 2006.

  1. krnxsnoopy

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    ??? :confused: :confused:

    It wasn't directed towards you. Read it again.
     
  2. jebustheomlet

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    not saying it makes them "bad"

    just saying, they are human, just like one of ya'll said, and all people want money.
     
  3. rumcoke

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    seriously though, when is this guy going to suit up?
     
  4. Desert Scar

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    Some would have considered guys from Brian Williams/Bison Dele, Rodman (remember how he left SA), Jason W., Payton, Walker, Laimbeer, Sheed, Maxwell, and Mahorn as disgraces to the NBA for one facet or another (everything from monster ego, lack of discipline, lack of commitment, knucklehead factor, dirty play). But guess what, great coaches found a way to harness what they can from these guys on the court on their way to NBA championships.

    Saying I want JVG to extract and use the basketball skills of Bonzi Wells is not hating on JVG, or excusing Bonzi Wells. It is called dealing with the reality that we need Bonzi Wells talent on the court to have an NBA championship caliber roster. The end of the season will determine if the course of action is correct. But Bonzi Wells has a lot more talent than Mo Taylor, hopefully this doesn't END like that situation did. And you guys saying **** Bonzi Wells, throw him out on his ***, don't have a clue about the big picture. He needs us, we need him, find a way to work it out.
     
  5. choujie

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    Please, Bonzi's talent? Bonzi has not talent when he's out of shape, and he showed that in 2 games he played.

    I'd have a problem with JVG if Bonzi is in shape and not getting minutes, but not when Bonzi is totally out of shape.

    Right now, people should blame Bonzi for not get himself into good shape instead of blame JVG.
     
  6. Sofine81

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    My bad, sorry dude. Rough morning. :eek:

    I guess we agree. I have been in meetings at work without a chance to respond.
     
  7. Desert Scar

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    I am not saying JVG should be judged now. But he better not let this develop like the Mo Taylor situation. By the playoffs we need a healthy and fit team that includes Bonzi Wells.

    If playing Wells a little bit gets him embarrased into getting himself back in shape (and him realizing he need to work hard to get his next contract), by all means consider it. I'd rather see the new guys--Wells, Novak, Snyder, VSpan worked into the fold more even knowing they will make mistakes. We already know what we got in Padgett (and Howard too). He isn't going to be much better or worse by the PT. But we want to get the newer talent infused so we are humming by the playoffs. We will see if JVG has the big picture in mind, maybe he does. But pushing Bonzi too far off so he never gets back into the fold is what I fear.
     
  8. themocitydon

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    bonzi wells fell off, unless he gets traded somewhere that he gets some playing time.
     
  9. blahblehblah

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    Why are people sooo upset and hysterical about the Bonzi situation? Is Bonzi a cancer? Is JVG stupid? Is one or the other RUINING the Rockets?

    Why is the two main (not to mention fallacious) arguments:

    A: JVG is an ego-maniac, out of touch with reality, insane, stupid coach who is ruining the rockets by making unreasonable & unrealistic demands on bonzi.

    Or conversely

    B: Bonzi is a knuclehead that doesnt care about anything but money. He is 100lb's + overweight, he is a CANCER, & because he is lazy, bad chemistry, disruptive, a Cancer, etc etc HE should be traded or cut!

    While both these arguments may or may not be true, at this moment it they are BOTH highly erroneus due not only to lack of evidence but also common sense; one would be pretty stupid to declare it as a certainty.

    The reality is that right or wrong, JVG wants Bonzi in reasonable shape before playing him. He doesnt expect him to be 100% in shape as quoted many time in the Chron... but "in shape" whatever that means. Is that a reasonable or fair expectation, I would be incline to say yes... but I'm not a player of coach so I dont know.

    Bonzi on the other hand has probably been frustrated with, his contract, his prior agent, his injury (groin), his root canal, his lack of playing time, his need to lose weight and getting in shape while at the same time acclimating to a new team, city and come to grips with his contract situation.

    Its probably safe to assume he is still frustrated with his need to get in shape, his contract and his not getting playing time. But he has time to deal with this and thus time to resolve them... by getting in shape and then playing.

    The good news for JVG and Bonzi (not to mention us fans) is that the season is LOOONG, and we've only played 10 games! It is much more likely that Bonzi does get in shape and PLAY AND that JVG allows him to than we have to fire one or trade the other. They have 30! more games to reach and agreement before we even reach the all star break! Not that I'd expect it it to take that long. But the point is... If Bonzi doesnt play till January, but he plays well and contributes for the rest of the season... doesnt it make all this panic and head cutting of both JVG & bonzi kind of hyperbolic and POINTLESS!

    So before people accuse Bonzi or JVG, try to bear in mind its not a question of now or never or black and white. Theres a middle ground and can we please wait a few weeks before making the conclusion?
     
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    You are making more sense than these guys that just want to bash Bonzi. If you have a Coach (Manager of Personalities) that is smart enough and flexible enough to embrace change for the good of the organization, you get a championship. Bonzi is a competitor and a difference maker. These guys are confusing his passion with their lack of understanding!

    Rudy T (Vernon Maxwell)
    Detroit Pistons (Bad Boys)
    Phil Jackson (Dennis Rodman)
    Larry Brown (Rasheed Wallace)

    and the list goes on and on ... :confused:
     
  11. jdmb82

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    I think Bonzi is a lazy fata$$
    There needs to be a rule that, regardless of contract, if a player is not doing what he was hired to do (in the case of bonzi, that is the task of playing basketball) the team can cut them and not have to pay for what they aren't doing for the team.

    The rockets are getting totally screwed here.
     
  12. don grahamleone

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    Bonzi is going to play for the Rockets. A injury slows a player down. An injury like a groin injury, makes a player have to almost stop all athletic movements in order to let the injury heal. So he got to be a little overweight after an injury of this kind. So what. That's normal.

    He'll be back in shape and back on the court in due time.

    Also, once Bonzi starts playing, his rebounding and tough presence will make Battier more effective at the four. A big 2 + A small 4 = balanced size advantage

    I can't wait to see this team with a healthy Bonzi.
     
  13. deon200

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    It's a waste if JVG don't play Bonzi.
    Waste money, waste a roster spot and waste the talent.

    Maybe Bonzi is not in shape or he doesn't wanna play hard for this amount of money. But admit that, he is a good low post player. The Rockets have more plays when Yao and Tmac are out.

    Now Snyder is out. Bonzi is more valuable than ever.
     
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    I've made myself accept a conclusion real or not that Bonzi has injury concerns along with being overweight and its too risky to rush him back and risk reaggravating the injury. Its upsetting though seeing the Mike Sweetneys and Eddy Currys and previous years the Robert Tractor Traylors go out and play without any holdups. And Bonzi out of all of them now is the example of out of shapeness like he's the current day Oliver Miller.
     
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    Um, not playing Wells is a waste?

    In the 2 games he has played in this season, he has averaged (in 15 mins) 3ppg 4rpg 1.5apg and 2TO per game.

    Until he figures out if he wants to play bad enough to stop acting like he is above the hard work that the rest of his team puts in, then he can rot on the bench for all I care.

    To whoever said that talent is more important than work ethic, you have it backwards... there are millions of talented people in the world who will not know ultimate success because of a lack of work ethic. And there are probably thousands of men who are talented enough to be in the NBA, but aren't, because talent isn't enough-- you have to have the work ethic to constantly improve. You think guys like Michael Jordan, Hakeem, and Yao are just talented? Those are men who would be successful at anything they put their minds to.
     
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    To be honest, I'm happy to see JVG sits Bonzi on the bench, this guy is not 'the one' we need. Even he can play well, he'll get out next year anyway, without him, VSpan & Novak would have more time to play, it good for Rox in long term sight.
    And, you can see, what's his attitude now? Put him on the court is not a smart choice. In despite of JVG's all wrong decisions, at this one, I'm with him!
     
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    Apparently, some people like to see Bonzi playing, other not.

    why not drop a vote for this?

    I would say, :mad: the h@ll with the fata$$, we don't need him!
     
  19. bgismh

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    Latest personal problem is that he wants to rest up so he can stuff his ass with more turkey and gravy. And visit more night/strip clubs.
     
  20. Luffy1

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    I seriously don't know how anyone can defend jvg on this point. Bonzi is ready to go and wants to play, but jvg just won't play him. You can't trust a word jvg says about bonzi, since he already lied the first time about why he was out.
     

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