Hey, like I said, police are licensed to hurt or kill you. All I'm saying is that being an ass in a situation like this a receipe for getting smashed on. Not saying that is right but it is the truth.
From the article: Because, after checking everyone (like they do every night) he was the only one without an ID that was refusing to leave?
This is UNBELIEVABLE !!! Talk about excessive force......... The guy was leaving. What a joke, that guy should sue the crap out of them. Those cops should be tried as criminals. DD
What I think a lot of people are missing here isn't the point of whether the student deserved it or not but that these officers acted poorly in a manner that potentially put them and all of the bystanders in danger. Even it this guy was violent and threatening to kill the officers the last thing the police want to do is draw a crowd by prolonging the time it takes to take him into custody. Heck even a good bouncer knows you don't brawl with a jerk at a bar but you get them out of there as quickly as possible. This guy was handcuffed and had been tasered already. Tasering temporarily imobilizes somebody. Once they guy was tasered on the ground the officers could've restrained his legs too with cuffs or zip ties and carried him out before an unruly crowd started to gather. Instead they stand around yelling at a noncompliant suspect who already has been tasered to stand up for about 5 minutes drawing and riling up an unruly crowd. IMO not very smart at all. If you think the guy was a threat you take him into custody. You don't stand around with him in public trying to make a point about respecting authority when this could cause a riot.
Posted this in the wrong thread, so I'll put in this one: Pretty hideous. These ****ing moron police officers should realize that they are not out in Watts anymore dealing with Crips and Bloods, they are in a university environment. Violation of the University code of conduct by a student requires a different approach rather than just taser the guy. If the officers don't like it, they should quit and join the army or some other organization that allows for more liberal use of force.
Sorry bro, this is not Fort Apache. University police have to play with gentler rules than normal cops out on the street. Unless somebody is in physical danger most university police are not authorized to use force on a student. If they don't like it they should quit.
I see it both ways. The situation likely escalated when the officer grabbed the student in the first place. The student reacted in a way that escalated it even more. (Should police be allowed to touch individuals if not placing them under arrest?) The officers here obviously sees defiance to an "order" as disorderly and took action. To me it seemed excessive. BOTH PARTIES imho could have handled things way differently to avoid the actual outcome.
But only one of those parties was trained and gets paid to handle things in a certain way. They should be fired.
tradertexx, you are a real moron. how in the hell are you supposed to stand up when you are repeatedly being tasered? a taser shot will incapacitate you for up to 45 seconds. try getting tasered 5 times and than standing up. those sadistic cops are tasering him and than yelling at him to stand up. its sick. we know how much you neocons get off on torture though. im sure you were sitting there watching that video going "oh, yes! get him! i love it so much!" its probably like p*rn for you - were you aroused? im sure you also like bush's former legal council john yoo stating that there is no law or treaty or act of congress that keeps bush from sexually torturing children infront of their parents.
i bet you would you sicko. you neocons just love torture, dont you? i wonder if you would scream "like a little girl" if you got tasered six times. or if someone shoved a glow-stick up your ass. tough talk is easy, aint it tradertexx? where did he take a swing at cops?
This is why I distrust cops. They have too much power, too little training, and the job doesn't attract the best and the brightest for sure.
As another poster noted though police are trained to rapidly de-escalate a situation. Every cop is told to not make it personal. Whether this guy had escalated himself he suffers the consequences of getting arrested. What the police have to do is arrest him in a way that doesn't prolong the situation endangering themselves and othsers.
Now you know like I do most police do make it personal, thereby not de-escalating a situation. If there is defiance of any kind after an order is given, brute force usually follows, especially in places like LA. Examples of this are all over the internet.
I agree but those are bad cops and should be held accountable. An officer that puts himself and others in dangers because they can't control their emotions is not someone who should be a cop. If you're making the point that the suspect should've cooperated in the first place of course he should have. I'm not defending the guy or arguing that people should defy the police. None of that excuses officers who act poorly.
I agree. Problem is, one bad cop is way too many. I think it's a major issue in this country but doesn't get the attention it needs because for one there aren't enough of them, let alone good or bad ones. The pay sucks, the hours suck, it's dangerous as hell. I appreciate those who are willing to do it.
It's really pretty simple- The cops would be justified in asking the student for his ID. The cops would be justified in asking the student to leave if he wouldn't show his ID. The cops would be justified in arresting or physically removing the student if he refused to leave on his own. The cops would not be justified in repeatedly tasering an unarmed person who will not comply with their directions. This is tantamount to torture. They should be criminally prosecuted for what they did.
agree, and i would add that not only was the guy unarmed, he was handcuffed. its really scary how many posters think that this is justified, or the guy got what he deserved. i suppose in a way it makes it easier to understand how this country has gotten to where it has. it makes it easier to understand how the bush administration can have people (including children) tortured, sometimes sexually and still have diehard supporters. there is such a state of fear in this country that otherwise good people will actually support torturing people. i never thought it would have happened in this country.
