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8 Simple rules for how Isiah can save his job...maybe.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by SamFisher, Nov 15, 2006.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

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    1. Bench Curry - he is just awful; he yelled at Francis tonight for taking a rebound that his lazy ass couldn't bothered to jump for. He is useless.

    2. Bench Marbury - he looks done at this point, but Isiah is in love with him.

    3. Bench Francis if he can't replace Marbury. On offense, with Marbury in the game he stands around the corner waiting to take a spot up jumper that never comes. Pointless. If he can't return from injury, get him out.

    4. Play Nate Robinson. Yes, he's too small, and can't pass, and makes mistakes- but he makes things happen more than any PG on their roster. Mardy Collins may also be worth a look.

    5. PLAY RENALDO BALKMAN PLAY RENALDO BALKMAN PLAY RENALDO BALKMAN PLAY RENALDO BALKMAN He makes things happen. Think CHuck Hayes but smaller, quicker, and slightly more skilled on offense (he is working on 20 points tonight). He simply makes things happen

    6. Play David Lee - most effective forward on the team this year, a suprisingly good player.

    7. Give Frye a chance to bust out of his slump. If not, well, uh...who knows.

    8. Play Crawford and Richardson - both have developed into pretty decent players. One of them should play SG at all times, IMO.

    Rotation (not in order):

    PG Francis? Robinson Collins?
    SG Crawford, Richardson
    SF Crawford Richardson Balkman
    PF Frye Lee Balkman
    C Frye Lee
     
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  2. Mordo

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    It looks like Channing Frye has already busted out of his slump.

    David Lee is incredible. 15 rebounds in 27 minutes? He has over 60% FG and low turnovers. Why is he riding pine?

    What is wrong with Isiah?
     
  3. SamFisher

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    Curry is stealing minutes directly from Lee, Frye, and indirectly fom Balkman, to a lesser extent.

    The problem is this: if Isiah wants the Knicks to win, he's going to have to swallow his pride as a GM and limit the roles of Curry, and Marbury/Francis - his three signature acquisitions.

    Tonight, the Knicks won due to huge contributions from the bench - whetehr or not Isiah takes the message to heart has yet to be seen.
     
  4. A_3PO

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    Your ideas are very solid but he CANNOT bench Curry. For them to succeed Curry must develop. I've ripped Curry enough in the past and won't do it again here but he is a project for the entire season.

    Either one, not both, of Marbury vs. Francis must be benched and put behind Nate Robinson. Even for a non-Knicks fan like me, it is painful watching them on the floor together. IF IF IF they are able to trade one of the two, putting the remaining player on the bench would be OK if they didn't play better. But benching them at the same time is unacceptable.

    The fact is Isiah probably cannot save his job but most of your steps are best for the Knicks franchise.
     
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    aside from the game we played against them, i've probably only seen one combined game worth of knicks action this year, but i swear every time i look up david lee is grabbing another rebound. he doesn't look huge but he just seems to be able to muscle around down low with everyone and fly up off the floor. definitely a keeper.


    their biggest problem is, while they have talent, not only does it not really fit together, but they are all so damn inefficient. curry is just walking inefficiency, shoots shoots and shoots some more, doesn't rebound, doesn't defend, no problem turning it over. francis turns it over and isn't a great shooter, crawford just seems to shoot a lot and while he can score doesn't have a sweet enough shot, marbury is marbury, nate robinson like you said does good things and makes lots of mistakes. it's like the collective talent can beat enough people individually and put the ball in the hoop often enough to occasionally win, especially with lee and balkman doing dirty work, but nothing about them says they could be any sort of consistently good team. man they are an f'd up franchise.
     
  6. GreenVegan76

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    No way Thomas saves his job. It's just not going to happen.

    But he has given the Knicks some nice young building blocks. David Lee, Nate Robinson, Renaldo Balkman, Channing Frye, Quentin Richardson. These aren't cornerstone players, but each one will have nice NBA careers. Jamal Crawford is a keeper, as well.

    The problem is that, with the exception of Richardson and Crawford, none of these guys are consistent night-in/night-out NBA starters. So they can't save Thomas's job.

    It's been painful watching Marbury and Francis devolve into league-average talents with more potential to destroy an NBA rotation than to redevelop into star players. If these two fools were playing to their potential, the Knicks could be a 45-win team. It's telling that they're instead costing the team 10-15 victories, which is absolutely staggering.
     
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    Knicks' second unit is better than their starters. I said it all along since the training camp. More energy, more hustle, unselfish and they play extremely hard. Their starters are just the opposite. They are bunch of lazy, selfish, passionless, useless and worthless BS. They are just plain disgusting.

    Thomas as a GM is terrible at getting free agents, he is even crazy sometimes. But you can't deny that he has an outstanding ability in term of drafting. Knicks' rookies are very decent. I wish Rox could have some of these players. Oh, well, I forget JVG doesn’t play rookies. Nevermind.
     
  8. A-Train

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    Yeah, Curry sucks. 6.7 rebounds per game? Are you kidding? He's the definition of black hole. Crawford can't shoot at all, so he should be coming off the bench.

    Francis and Marbury can't exist on the same team. It's as simple as that. Two point guards that dominate the ball can't be on the floor together, yet neither really wants to come off the bench.

    Francis and Marbury are really interesting players. They're the type of players that need to be in the perfect situation in order to succeed, which is complimenting a really good big man inside. Marbury was positioned to be in that situation in Minnesota, but he whined his way out of there. Francis was also positioned to be in that situation, but he was traded before Yao and Dwight Howard got the chance to develop into dominant post players.
     
  9. Highwire

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    If Larry could not pull it off, who else can..
     
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    Sam thinks he can..
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I agree with everything except one thing, there is still hope for curry. unbelievably he's only 23. he hasn't reached his prime yet. it still has time to click in his head that he can do so much more.
     
  12. Mordo

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    Don't be so sad. We do have one of those players and he was drafted lower than the Knicks picks. Actually he wasn't drafted at all.

    Chuck Hayes

    Hayes is our version of David Lee. David Lee was a 1st round pick(30) in the 2005 draft. We got Hayes for free, undrafted, last year. They are both in their 2nd year and were riding pine, last year. The only difference is Van Gundy is starting Chuck Hayes and Isiah Thomas is keeping David Lee behind Channing Frye.

    According to Hollinger, Chuck Hayes is better than David Lee. We'll see Chuck again in 2 weeks.
     
  13. Mordo

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    Oh yes, Don't forget Luther Head. Nate Robinson was drafted #21 by NY last year. So our next best bet was Luther Head at #24, that year! We drafted lower than NY and got a comparable guard as our #1 backup point guard. We picked our fan favorite starting PF Chuck Hayes from out of nowhere. They had to grab David Lee with a 1st round draft pick.
     
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    The excuse was guards develop quicker but it was because they had intended to go after a forward in that free agency. CD really wanted Bobby Simmons but in reality Stromile Swift was their only option.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    21 to 24? At that point in the draft it is a crapshoot, you are lucky to get anything at all.

    As far as David Lee, he was also drafted in the nether regions, and was an absolute steal (drafted 30th overall) for where he was drafted. (FWIW, that is the same year as Head was drafted 24).

    He's a better player than Hayes because he is bigger, better on offense, and more versatile, and his PER this year - on which Holligner was loosely basing his preseason ratings via last year's data - is substantially higher than that of Hayes - at a ridiculously high 23. something. His PER net is slightly below that of Hayes because of counterpart rating, but I suspect that has something to do with the fact that Hayes has Battier & Yao playing next to him while Lee has Curry, et al.

    If the Knicks offered Lee for Hayes straight up - the Rockets should (and would, IMO) do it in a heartbeat.
     
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    Where do I get that? Is this the link? http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holl...ider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/rankings?pos=6

    Do I need an insider subscription to see that?
     
  17. SamFisher

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    Their PER's are here.

    http://www.82games.com/0607/06NYK9C.HTM
    http://www.82games.com/0607/06HOU9C.HTM


    You do need an insider sub, but Hollinger developed PER, so that's what he bases his rankings on in that article you linked, IIRC. Right now Lee's is higher, probably one of the highest in the league and exceeding Hollinger's preseason projections. (projected him at 17.34, Lee is up around 23)
     
  18. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    i would start

    frye
    lee
    balkman
    Q
    nate

    with curry, crawford, and steve off the bench.

    then i would trade marbury for whoever will take him. honestly, the first offer i got, no matter what i have to take back.
     
  19. Mordo

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    Atlanta could use a PG. They can't match salaries. All of their forwards are on rookie contracts except JJ.
     
  20. SamFisher

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    Selena Roberts steals my idea :mad:

     

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