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INSIDER: Mooch wants a boatload

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by NJRocket, Aug 24, 2001.

  1. RocketsPimp

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    Wasn't he injured much of last year? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.
     
  2. TheFreak

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    Darrick Martin used to ALWAYS be able to get to the hole against the Rockets...but then again, a lot of guards could do that. The Rockets' perimeter D has never been good, it seems.

    Damon Jones sounds good, though. I say that almost purely because of the UH factor. Him and Hakeem would have that bond...oh wait...
     
  3. Manny Ramirez

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    I like Moochie, but there is no way in HELL he is worth 4 million a year. I definitely feel that the Rockets should not try to do a sign and trade for that jackass, Fegan. If Danny F wants to play hardball, then let him go do it. Damon Jones or Robert Pack would certainly be a great alternative here. I would try to get either one of them lined up & then I would give Moochie a take it or leave it offer. If he doesn't take it, then f*** him and Fegan and go with Jones or Pack. We'll see if there is really anybody out there willing to pay a former CBA refugee who's a freaking backup 4 million a season. If Moochie is really honest and sincere about loving to play in Houston, then he'll do the right thing and re-sign with the Rockets for a reasonable amount. Obviously, 4 million, IMO, is not a reasonable amount. If he doesn't come back, then he'll be just another liar that really wanted more money all along like his former teammate, Olajuwon.
     
  4. JoeBarelyCares

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    How do we get Damon Jones at 2-3 million per year if we are capped out?
     
  5. NIKEstrad

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    RP-I believe so. He's notorious for injury problems. Upon further review he played in 74 games, at 17 MPG.

    When he started (11 games) he played 35.1 MPG, 14.3 PPG, 9.1 APG, 4.5 RPG, and 1.82 SPG.

    Not a great outside shooter, but a very good penetrator, and passer, and excellent floor general.

    A very wide assortment of injuries.

    Freak-must we continue to go in circles about this? Rice fits this offense so much better than Shandon, it's not even funny. Rice has more skills than Bullard and can stay on the floor longer. The loss of Shandon's D hurts, but how much of it could we utilize when Shandon was forced to the 3 position because Cuttino outplayed him? Shandon may, or may not have fit into the locker room better, but it's certain Rice fits on the floor better. Maybe Rice becomes the vocal veteran leader he's saying he'll become.

    Again with Dream, when it became apparent Dream was 100% stay in Houston at nearly all costs, it came down to Hakeem or Taylor. The Rockets chose Taylor. They chose to have a PF of the future for 6 more years, than the center of the past for 2-3 injury riddled years. Deal with it.
     
  6. TheFreak

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    Shandon wasn't forced to the 3 postion because Mobley outplayed him, but because Walt sucked. There is no way that Mobley would have started last year if Walt had been hitting his shots. To say otherwise flies in the face of Rudy's penchant for sticking with his starters -- Shandon didn't play bad enough to lose his starting job.

    Rice may "fit the offense better", but that's only on paper. Besides, he's 34. I really don't care how well he fits the offense if he's only going to be fitting it for a short time, in which time we won't be contending for a championship. You're totally discounting the whole idea of "the sum is greater than the parts", or however you say that when I'm not drunk.

    If I knew the Rockets were going to lose ALL of their FAs, I'd much rather have given Antonio Davis the freaking max. What's so different about paying AD 12 mill, than paying Rice 9 mil? Neither of them will be around when we peak, but Davis fits our needs better, and has more years left than Rice. Once Francis gets his max, we're over the cap anyway, so it doesn't matter that we may have had to sign him for a few more years.

    Would you have traded Shandon, Moochie, Bullard, and Hakeem for Glen Rice? That's what's about to happen. The Rockets should have been smarter than this and gone after someone better than Rice, or at the very least given Hakeem more dollars than he ended up with. After all this mess, it would've been much better to a least end up with Hakeem retiring as a Rocket, than the trade it looks like we could end up with.
     
  7. Dallas Rocket

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  8. enbehay

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    I prefer Moochie and I advocate none of these (Dallas) guys (Amin, Bogues, Martin and Satterfield). I was just asking if there might be a solution here if Moochie bolts. Also, here is what Brooks had to say about Satterfield: "Dallas: Kenny Satterfield 6-2/176 (Cincinnati-Sophomore) He could have easily gone in the first few picks of the second round, and a few PGs that might not turn out to be as good as him got drafted before him. I think he will stick in the NBA, at least for a couple of years."
     
  9. Will

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    Freak. Please. I liked Shandon, but . . . c'mon.
     
  10. Manny Ramirez

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    Like Will said earlier, Freak -- you've got to be kidding, right?? I know that you like Hakeem and you're upset that he's gone, but do you really think that Shandon is worth 42 million over 6 years?? I've seen some funny things on this BBS (although what was said by the Fobinator -- what I used for my sig, was the best), but if you honestly believe that then that has to rank in the top 5. I can't tell you how many games last year in looking at the box score that I saw Shandon score 0 or 2 points!! You can say all you want about Francis and Mobley and others not passing him the ball, but the man himself said that he didn't fit in with the team. Freak, get over it, just like with Olajuwon, and deal with it. The fact that you constantly post negative things about the Rockets makes me wonder if you're not the biggest troll on the BBS. At least ZRB tells you up front what he is. Maybe I've missed some "positive" posts from you, but I doubt it. You have the right to your opinion, but this act of yours where you act like you're the jilted lover because "you" got screwed by Rudy T and CD is really getting old, man. I don't want to be giving you a hard time, but can you post anything positive about Rudy T, CD, and the Rockets on this BBS??:confused:
     
  11. Doctor Robert

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    The actual score thus far this offseason (taking into consideration we gained and lost a 1st rounder in two separate deals):

    We lose Bullard, Hakeem, Shandon.
    We gain a 2nd rounder, Rice, Griffin, and Morris
    We keep Taylor.
    We still have a shot at Moochie.

    I wouldn't make it sound so grim.
     
  12. Lil Francis

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    Damon Jones? Thanks but no thanks. We should have signed Rafer Alston when we had the chance. He is cheap and can do just as well as Mooch.
     
  13. Will

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    Whoa there, Manny. Let's go easy with the loyalty tests. There's a big difference between a crank and a troll. Freak goes way, way back. Being a loyal crank, much less one as sharp as Freak, is one of the hardest and most important jobs in fandom.
     
  14. Rocket River

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    Will,
    Explain ZRB for me :)

    Rocket River
     
  15. JR

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    hey doctor robert don't forget we also traded 3 first round picks for Griffin. Not that it wasn't a good trade, but both sides should be reflected on your scorecard.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Right on HP,

    I agree that it is just Fegen trying to get the best deal for Fegen.

    However, if someone would give Mooch that kind of Jack, then he should take it.

    Heck, I would...

    DaDakota
     
  17. Will

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    OK, this is just my impression. ZRB is a real fan. He isn't trying to be positive or negative. He's trying to be controversial. He talks constantly and issues extreme opinions and predictions 1) because he wants attention and 2) because he figures that if he gets it wrong or changes his opinion, nobody will remember what he said in the first place.

    He's not a troll or a crank. He's a pundit.
     
  18. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    Will, I know that I may have gone a little extreme with Freak, but I don't think I have ever seen him post something positive about Rudy T, CD, and the Rockets. I can't help but be a positive guy, so, it distresses me to see someone be this negative all the time . I can understand Olajuwon although I definitely don't feel the same way he does. But now, Shandon Anderson?? Maybe he's being like ZRB, in that he's being controversial. Will, you know him better than I do. Can you remember him saying anything positive about Rudy T, CD, and/or the Rockets?
     
  19. ROCKET!!!

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  20. Holden

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    that was a beautiful explaination of ZRB. ive been trying to put that into words for a while.

    but hey, youve got to give it to him i guess. that shtick has made him a well known name around here.

    like someone jokingly said, pick maloney back up, we are paying him anyway. can we do that?

    would you rather have maloney or colson if you had to pick? id go with maloney.

    ignorance is bliss.

    :eek:
     

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