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Rafer's shot not consistent enough/ Snyder's not a starter

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by stroker, Nov 2, 2006.

  1. stroker

    stroker Member

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    After watching the game agains Utah it became very clear to me that Rafter Alston's perimeter shot just isn't gonna make defenses respect his ability to make them pay once Yao kicks it out to him and that Snyder's shot isn't money either from the perimeter.

    We badly need Bonzi starting at the 2 guard and another starting PG that can distribute but I'd take a shoot first PG that can drain the open shot a lot more than Rafer and let the offense run through T-Mac for fluidity but neither of our starting guards are starting material at this point even though Snyder's slashing style at aggressively attacking the rim can be used in this offense, what good does it do it he's a poor free throw shooter as he'd be going to the line a lot? The 4 is still questionable behind Battier who can hold it down but I think Howard needs to be in there and told to become a rebounding "mutha" along with his mid range excellence at shooting.

    Bottom line: the current backcourt will not get the Rockets far into the playoffs (if at all) and it's because of poor shooting from the arc. Rafer's not the answer....Snyder's not a breathe of fresh air even subbing for Bonzi... :confused:
     
  2. Rockets Red Glare

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    Have you ever seen Bonzi's game? He is far from the outside shooter that you describe above. He is a mid-range shooter & post up player.
     
  3. sjackson0

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    Look......they had wide open shots. They will eventually fall....we all know that we have good shooters on this team, but Rafer was not the problem....he hit three in the fourth quarter (not condoning him shooting bad in the 1st half) BUT THEY ALL SHOT BAD.

    The team needs to find their identity and that will take a few games. I actually think that Snyder will fit nicely with 1st team and his jumper will not matter so much if Tracy shoots over 48% from the field. His aggressive nature will soon pay off. Also, when Yao takes more that 12shots......everyone’s inabilities will be forgiven.
     
  4. robbie380

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    good job...we have 50000000 other thread of people b****ing. did you need to create this one so you could get everyone's attention about this situation?
     
  5. Luffy1

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    Rafer is the weakest link on this team and I hope we can overcome it.
     
  6. Homey the Clown

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    ...Rafer is trying to play like 'Skip to my Lou'
     
  7. ndnguy85

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    ya. i agree. i am sick of this pass first pg attitude to cover up rafer's inability to shoot.

    PG passes ball inside to yao..defense draws in..yao kicks it back out to PG..NOW MAKE THE DAMN BASKET. i am tired of seeing rafer miss good open looks.
     
  8. crash5179

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    Snyder was very good last night. You need to find someone else to pick on.
     
  9. dookiester

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    snyder is probably the one player whose performance you should have no complaint about. i dont think anyone here expected anything from him, but he was the only one consistently attacking. he just didnt have a big impact because he barely got to touch the ball. which is more a problem with the way our offense is run than any individual player's fault. sure, we have alot of ball movement, but its all on the perimeter. playing hot potatoe on the 3pt line with the basketball isn't a real offense.
     
  10. verse

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    i said it last year and it bears repeating: rafer is the worst finisher in the nba.

    his fourth quarter shooting was a well needed shot in the arm and i hope he can continue hitting the open 3 that way. however, i would like to see him just finish off his drives more frequently.

    aside from at the free throw line, i thought snyder had a good game. he constantly attacked the rim, drawing foul after foul on jazz players. everything i have seen thus far tells me that he knows the limitations and strengths of his own game. kirk snyder penetrates more than peter north.
     
  11. ktbballplaya

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    how is that??when boozer just abused us last night..and mutombo missing layups..when we miss 10 plus free throws..we dont convert on 3 point plays like snyder should have twice and mcgrady..obviously you didnt see him play as skip to my lou bc he plays nothing like that..dont make rafer the scapegoat
     
  12. Chronz

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    I find it amazing that you can accurately analyze a players game by watching 1 GAME, AMAZING TRULY AMAZING
     
  13. deshen

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    Too early to make conclusion. need a little more time to watch
     
  14. Homey the Clown

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    True.
     
  15. rice

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    we had all last season plus this game (which equals 83 games),
    i hate these "It's just one game" attitude!
    Every game counts!!!
     
  16. deshen

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    Nobody says one game doesn't count. It is just that you can't judge a player by a single game. MJ had bad games, that doesn't provent him being one of the best players in NBA history.

     
  17. HotRocket

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    Rafer shot very well over the pre-season, but then he has one mediocre game and suddenly all that hard work over the summer never happened? He shot 3-8 from the three, that isn't that bad. Yes he missed is first 5, but Tmac shot even worse. If it wasn't for Rafer in the 4th quarter, we wouldn't even have had that glimmer of hope for a comeback. I'm pretty sure the only way this board would give him any props is if he shot 10-8, hitting imaginary shots while he's on the bench. Heck, Novak shot 1-4 and looked lost several times, but he's our savior and Rafer is our martyr.

    I do agree that our starting 5 needs to be retooled a little, but I think it's more a matter of gelling and becoming more accustomed to their roles than anything else. Bonzi would have helped a lot, he can handle the ball pretty well, and would have been a nice inside presence.

    I'm not going to bother saying that this team needs more time because we should already know that by now. Our starting 5 basically has 5 new players in it with how much rafer, yao, and tmac missed last year.
     
  18. DaveSavage

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    the NBA is a lot of things. Every game counting is not one of those things. I don't think NBA games actually count until like January right? That's when teams really start trying.
     
  19. stroker

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    Snyder is a SHOOTING GUARD who does NOT consistently knock down the 3, and Rafer was throwing up bricks all last season. He shoots well during the preseason and then resorts back to natural form in the opener and I'd bet anything he continues to be a very subpar 3 pt. shooter when he gets good looks from Yao with the kick out pass. He'll have his moments for a quarter and a half at best, but for this team to go DEEP in the playoffs they need Jason Terry, Steve Nash, Mike James, Tony Parker type of outside shooting (pure money) from the point guard position especially when the 5 is being doubled.

    This team needs better than marginal shooting from the 1 with a center like Yao, to make teams PAY and pick their poison between Yao and the PG. To win the championship BOTH the PG and Yao have got to burn teams on a consistent basis. I've seen Rafer for a year and now a game and I'm of the opinion his J will not keep teams from sagging in the paint on Yao.

    I know Bonzi didn't take a lot of 3pt shots in Memphis or Sac, but he was lights out in Portland and has the ability to drop 3 bombs from downtown when he has to although the last few years he prefers to shoot mid range and post up-He didn't forget how to drop the 3, he adjusted his game to the teams he played for, and I think the Rox need Bonzi on the perimeter as well as mid range and the low block too when he has the mismatch. Snyder doesn't bring this type of offensive scoring package or array of scoring and his 3 pt shot is not reliable but streaky and this team needs a "shooting guard" that can drain several 3's at a time and bring Snyder off the bench for defensive matchups and slashing (provided he doesn't miss and expose his weakness as a free throw shooter) Teams will pick up on his subpar freethrow shooting and just foul the hell outta him as he drives the paint and he'll routinely make 1 of 2 and that's not what you want from your 2 guard.

    Because Tracy's game is so multi-faceted we can live with him slashing and making only 1 of 2 free throws but Snyder has to make teams pay for fouling him as he drives. Hell, you think teams aren't gonna look at film and not KNOW what side he likes to attack the basket from and NOT lay him out on the floor? A good defensive asst. coach, help defense, defensive rotation, and film study will all but nullify his tremendous athleticism if he's playing major minutes unless our coaches can teach him to make the D pay by drainin' that trey, baby.....FEEL me....
     
  20. awo86

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    i don't think rafer's shot has any problem. anyone can go cold at a given period, its not like he didn't bounce back in the fourth quarter.

    Rafer's real concern is his defense footwork. people, if a derek fisher can blow by you, you have real issue defending. I wish by playoffs time we'll have bob sura as our starting pg!
     

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