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Whistling Past Dixie: How Democrats Can Win Without the South

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    Whistling Past Dixie: How Democrats Can Win Without the South

    Editorial Reviews
    From Publishers Weekly
    Instead of "futile pandering to the nation's most conservative voters," in the South, Democrats should build a non-Southern majority to regain dominance, argues Schaller, a University of Maryland political scientist, in this focused, tactical account. The Republicans' Southern monopoly may have helped them achieve national majorities in the past, but it has never constituted a majority alone, Schaller explains. There are greener pastures for Democrats at all levels of elected government: the Midwest, Southwest and Mountain West. Schaller's demographic numbers buttress a solid argument, but he contradicts himself at times—as when he argues that many voters (deceived by Republican politicians) empowered "a radically conservative agenda" against their own interests but are "smart" enough to understand a nuanced Democratic platform on American liberties (e.g., connecting gun rights and gay rights). But the basic truth of the author's fight-fire-with-fire strategy is undeniable: a much-needed shot of realpolitik in the arm of the modern Democratic Party, whose greatest weakness lies not in the lack of good ideas but in compromising them. Charts, maps. (Oct.)
    Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

    From Booklist
    In this highly accessible book, political science professor Schaller points to political history and research on changing demographics to illustrate why the South is now openly hostile to Democrats, who tend to lack the proper "cultural credentials" to appeal to most southerners. The South is the most militaristic, least unionized area of the U.S., and voters are far more likely to weigh social and cultural concerns than economic ones when voting. Rather than trying to recapture the past when the Democrats could reliably count on the South for votes, the party needs to devise a strategy that concentrates on opportunities elsewhere, advises Schaller. Noting that the Republicans dominated politics in the decades between the Civil War and the New Deal without the support of the South, Schaller outlines strategies for how the Democrats can now capitalize on opportunities to expand in other areas even as the high population of blacks in the South will continue to provide the party with a toehold there. An absorbing look at politics and demographics. Vanessa Bush
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    I disagree. The Dems are a national party and they need to act like one. Dean's doing well building a 50-state operation, Dems have more challengers in House races then they've had in years (and it's paying off... see Delay, Foley, etc.), and the fact that we have the Repubs playing defense for the Senate in three border states shows we shouldn't abandon one region. The Repubs are at heart a regional party and Dems need to make them fight for their turf. If Dems write the South off, Repubs just spend all their money cherry-picking races in Dem territory. This idea that you can write off parts of the country is a large part of what got the Dems in the situation they are in now.
     
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    Here is a particularly good excerpt from the book.

     
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    I disagree. In fact I think that Schaller is completely right on. By trying to win the South by appealing to backwards, regressive Southern values, it just results in lack of focus and makes Democrats look disingenuous and still won't be enough to win over the culturally conservative voters.

    This truth of the matter though is this. Despite being bad candidates and winning no Southern states, Gore and Kerry nearly won the Presidency. OTOH, there is no way in hell that any Republican can win the Presidency if he doesn't win almost all of the South. The Democratic Party should isolate the Republican Party into the "Confederate Party" because once the Republican Party becomes a full fledged regional party it will struggle nationally.
     
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    Yes, a 50 state party in congressional elections, but not for a presidential election.
     
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    BTW, although many Texans deny this, politically speaking, Texas is now as deeply red as any deep South state as Alabama or Mississippi. For Presidential elections, Texas is part of Dixie electorally speaking and must be "whistled past" for the time being as well...
     
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    The problem is Democrats would lose some of their congressional seats if they did this. The Dems must at least pay lip service to the South to protect centrist House members in the few borderline districts that remain. Also, take a look at the Tennessee and Virginia senate races. If the Dems just smacked the South in the mouth and wrote the region off as "Confederate" they would have no chance at these two seats.

    In presidential elections, you are exactly right except the Dems must be subtle. Long term, the GOP will never allow itself to be reduced to a "regional party" because they will morph into whatever it takes to get elected. It used to be the Republicans were a somewhat unified party with a guiding set of principles (whether you agreed with them or not). Now they are fighting each other like cats and dogs just like Democrats. For both parties, it's more about marketing for votes and power than it is about principles.
     
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    In Texas, the Democratic Party lost several House members to DeLay's redistricting ploy who were being reelected in majority Republican districts. They were largely conservative Democrats, who frequently held moderate views on social issues. Their constituents liked them, and considered themselves well represented. It would be foolish, in my opinion, for the Democratic Party to walk away from the state, or from the South. Sure, you put your greatest resources in areas where you have the greatest chance of winning a majority, but you should be building the Party in those areas where a long term strategy can eventually pay dividends. I think Dean has the right idea.

    Remember... Ann Richards was elected Governor of this "red state" in 1991, and she would have won reelection if she hadn't taken Junior for granted, IMO.



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    Schaller, though, isn't advocating shunning or abandoning the South per se. He himself is a Southerner from North Carolina. What he is saying though is that Democrats shouldn't try to win the South by pandering to it and trying to appeal to its "values". The Democratic Party can either by a two-faced party, morally ambiguous, pandering party or it can be a progressive party championing progressive values and not worry about whether that appeals to the red-neck South or not.
     
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    I agree that the Democratic Party should "be a progressive party championing progressive values." What I disagree with is to, "not worry about whether that appeals to the red-neck South or not." There are many moderates and progressive voters in the South. There are also many fiscally conservative voters who feel differently about social issues than the current leadership of the Republican Party.

    I think you can appeal to both without being "a two-faced party, morally ambiguous, pandering party." One of the most important things needed is a leader that can articulate what the Democratic Party is to those people, as well as appealing to Democrats in currently Democratic areas of the country. Clinton did that pretty well. As to those "Democratic areas," there aren't nearly as many Democrats being elected there as one would expect. Certainly, a better job needs to be done. I agree with that. I think a lot of progress will be made there, as well as incremental progress in the "red states," during this election. What we have going on in this thread is typical of Democrats... arguing with each other, when we should be working together to forge a new governing coalition. I don't think that is realistic if you write off the South.



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    Here is a recent interview by Schaller:

    Interview With Tom Schaller, Author of "Whistling Past Dixie"

    The sharp and insightful Tom Schaller, executive editor of The Gadflyer, recently published Whistling Past Dixie: How Democrats Can Win Without The South, which was praised by Publishers Weekly as a "much-needed shot of realpolitik in the arm of the modern Democratic Party."

    Prof. Schaller and I agreed to ask five questions of each other via email about our respective books. His responses to my questions are below. His interview of me can be found here.

    1. You articulate a "non-Southern platform" based on the following principles: "strong defense, but a smart offense," "a culture of investment," and "the exercise of inalienable liberties." Don't those ideals appeal to both southerners and non-southerners alike?

    TOM SCHALLER: For some voters in every region, sure, those ideals are equally appealing. But overall, there are striking differences in the attitudes of southerners and non-southerners, especially among white voters.

    Support for Bush's war in Iraq is weakening across the country, but the pockets where it is still strong are in the South and a few Plains and Mountain West states.

    And although it is a myth that native southerners account for a disproportionate share of our fatalities in Iraq (they don't), the South is the temporary home to larger shares of active-duty military and veterans because of the disproportionate location of military bases there. In the literal sense of the term, the most belligerent region of the country is the South.

    White southerners talk about the need for limited government, but the fact is that most southern states get back anywhere from $1.10 or $1.35 for every dollar they send to Washington. It is the northeastern states that get back less than what they contribute, and it is liberals who are happy to investment their monies in programs that will pay off in the medium to long term, because they understand that investing in education and early-life health care actually saves the country in the long run.

    The culture of investment theme steals the language conservatives love to invoke when it comes to markets and apply it to governmental commitments to infrastructure and human development. If you look at southern states, however, their per-capita state expenditures rank near the bottom.

    If they believed in investment, instead of redistribution of monies contributed by others, they'd spend more at home -- especially since they benefit so greatly from the federal redistribution game. But they don't.

    As for civil liberties, must I even make the case?

    A quick look at American history through the lens of its constitutional amendments, which for 150 years have extended suffrage and safeguarded our most cherished civil rights and liberties, should suffice. And what does that history show?

    That at every key struggle in American history -- abolition, women's suffrage, the end of child labor, the integration of the military, to de-segregation of our schools and public facilities -- it was mostly southern states blocking and opposing these amendments. History is what history does.

    2. Whistling Past Dixie lays out a strategy to win without the South in the short-term, but it also argues that Democrats should work to win back the South by 2028. Howard Dean argues that we can't win in places where we don't "show up," and is rebuilding the party infrastructure to enhance its presence in all 50 states. Are your strategies at all in conflict?

    TS: Nope, because Dean is right. What Dean is calling for is a minimum investment in each state so that Democrats there don't have to reinvent the wheel every two or four years.

    As one of the few scholars in the country who has actually worked on a field campaign (and thus understands how poorly ideas and contacts and voting data get transferred from one cycle to the next), I know that Dean's approach is actually quite efficient.

    So that means [Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chair] Rahm Emanuel is wrong? Nope. Dean is doing electoral defense, and you defend at a minimum level everywhere. But offense requires targeting, and that means not spending capriciously in places where, during the late stages of an election, you can't win.

    If Ike had invaded Europe in 1944 by spreading our Allied troops evenly across the French coast, the Germans might have repelled the invasion. So, Emanuel is right, too: Concentrate resources at points of weakness.

    It's great to have staff in every state, and to encourage local Democrats to do the best they can on a local level. And it never hurts to recruit the best possible candidates in every seat at every level.

    But when it comes down to crunch time, you target resources where they will matter most. Politics is economics, and we're not trying to build a "unanimity party," but a majority party. And that means figuring out how to get to 51% before aiming for 61% or 71% and, in my view, targeting Arizona or even Alaska before thinking about Alabama.

    3. The "low-hanging fruit" for Democrats, in your analysis, is the Midwest and Interior West. Are those regions proving to be low-hanging fruit in this midterm election?

    TS: Absolutely, but don't take it from me.

    Chuck Todd, esteemed editor of the Hotline, ranks 60 House seats as in play: 53 held by Republicans, just seven by Democrats. Of those 53 seats, just seven are in the former 11 Confederate states. Put another way, although the House GOP gets 39% of its membership from the South, only 13% of our targets are there.

    The fact is, the Democratic targets this cycle are largely contained within what I call the "4D Rectangle" of states formed by connecting Dover (NH), Dover (DE), Des Moines and Duluth. Of the 59 Republican-held seats which were either carried by Gore or Kerry, or narrowly by Bush (less than 3 points), during the past two presidential cycles, 44 of them are in this box.

    If there's a Speaker Pelosi on January 3, she will owe her new majority to the conversion (finally!) of the old Rockefeller/Ford wing of the Republican Party into the Democratic column. Indeed, there are at least 3 seats in play in CT, NY, PA, OH, and even IN. Just winning those and breaking even everywhere else would be enough to convert the House.

    As for the Senate, same story: Though TN has been made competitive because of a great Democratic nominee and VA has been made competitive because of a terrible Republican nominee, even if Dems win both of those and win only four of the non-South seats where they presently lead (OH, PA, RI, MT and MO), Harry Reid's new 50-plus-Sanders (VT) majority will be comprised of 44 non-southern Democratic senators and just six southern senators.

    And that's in the best-case scenario for southern Democrats. If Clair McCaskill holds off Talent in MO and either Ford (TN) or Webb (VA) lose, the split will be 45-5. That means 90% of Reid's caucus will be non-southern.

    I could go on, but the fact is that the Midwest is and has been the most "purple" region of the country for 70 years. It is home to five of the nine closest states in the last presidential election, and the Southwest is far more competitive today than it was when Bush's father won in 1988.

    The windfallen fruit is at Democrats' feet in the Northeast/Pacific Coast, where they need to fully "blue-ify" their strongholds; the Midwest is the low-hanging fruit reachable without so much as a step-ladder; the Interior West, particularly the Southwest, is the mid-tree target; and only at the top is the (non-FL) southern states, particularly the Deep South states at the apex.

    Again, politics is economics, and since all the apples are the same size, the fastest and most efficient way to 51% (or 61%, for that matter) is to fill with the fruits closest at hand.

    4. You instruct Democrats to explicitly run against the "conservative South." Is it necessary to criticize a region of the country when standing up to conservatism? Is there a risk of being seen as divisive?

    TS: This is the most infuriating criticism of my book, and one that shows how the same liberals who complain about Fox News and media bias have fallen victim to the very national discourse they decry and which holds liberals/Democrats and conservatives/Republicans to different standards.

    Note, for starters, that the GOP brazenly, and with impunity, mocks "northeastern liberals," and people like John Kerry and Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank, as "out of touch" wackos from "Taxachusetts."

    I could run you through the respective histories of Massachusetts and, say, South Carolina, but suffice to say that the Palmetto State has been defying, opposing, ignoring or rejecting every beneficent governmental change since before the Republic was founded.

    Lindsey Graham claims he represents one of the most patriotic states, but he won't tell you that many white southerners refused to celebrate the 4th of July until the 1950s. If it were the other way around, do you think Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly would fall silent about the lack of patriotism among northeastern liberals?

    Democrats vilify Ken Lay, Jack Abramoff, or Mark Foley, and that's fine. But these are fleeting foes. So why is it that they cannot criticize the southern conservatives who stand so directly in opposition to almost everything liberals and Democrats support?

    I find it gallingly ironic that the same national media talking heads who are the first to say the Democrats are gutless and afraid to fight are the same folks who lecture Democrats for daring to criticize anyone except Antonin Scalia, unnamed corporate fat-cats and "special interests."

    It's time to call a spade a spade, and the southern wing of the Republican Party runs the GOP and thus, by extension, the country. If you think the kind of government they're giving us is not to be criticized by name, then you're just another spineless Democrat.

    A final point: You know why Republicans use divide-and-conquer politics to attack the "northeastern liberals"? Because at least it offers "conquer" as a payout.

    "Pander-to-unify," the mollycoddling crap we hear from the "Kum Bay Yah" centrist Democrats only results in pandering that fails to unify anybody. It's important to be for something, no doubt; but sometimes being for something also means showing the courage to be against something.

    We should stop trying to hand-hold whiny southern conservatives who talk tough but can't govern, and whose ideas and values on everything from affirmative action to Iraq are taking our country in the wrong direction. They're the last people likely to vote Democratic anyway, and if you don't have the stomach to call them out, you should go do something else.

    5. You also counsel Democrats to move away from support of gun control in order to reach Midwest and Western voters. Can they do that and still win support from those in their base who remain concerned about fatal gun violence?

    TS: This is the perfect example of the supposed problem you raised in the previous question, Bill.

    Look at where support for the 2nd Amendment is strongest: In the South and the Mountain West. Are you gonna tell southerners they're out of touch and don't share real American values? To borrow language from your last two questions, how you can "maintain support from the fatal-gun-violence base" without picking a Second Amendment fight, and by picking it, risk being "seen as divisive" and "criticizing a region" of the country?

    This is the double-standard trap of which I just spoke, and this question falls right into the pit.

    My view on the Second Amendment is simple, if even a bit simplistic: I don't keep a gun in my house and would probably sign a petition to clarify the ambiguous language of the amendment itself.

    But I'm also an ACLU-style libertarian and that means I don't get to say the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments all count but the Second doesn't.

    Clinton, Gore and Kerry all tried to take guns off the table so they could get a hearing on their economic platform, and that's exactly what people like MT Gov. Brian Schweitzer does.

    Remember what Paul Hackett said: I don't think the government should be telling me what to keep in my gun safe, but it also shouldn't tell me what my wife and her doctor can talk about.

    What's he saying, in a less professorial and thus more powerful way, is this: Let's put the other nine Amendments of the Bill of Rights behind the ramparts of the Second Amendment and protect them all with equal vigor. That's smart politics.

    Now, here's why the gun issue demonstrates the difficulty in attracting white southerners to the Democratic Party:

    White westerners in red states support gun rights to the same degree that white southerners do, but on the non-gun social issues they are less conservative. This is not my opinion, by the way; it is an empirical fact, based on self-reported attitudes of voters interviewed for National Annenberg Election survey.

    On reproductive choice, affirmative action, gay rights, prayer in school and the death penalty, midwestern and interior western white voters hold less conservative positions that white southerners. And that means there are fewer cultural hurdles to clear with midwestern and interior western swing voters before they'll hear your pitch on foreign policy and economics. The hurdles are higher and more numerous in the South, and the data back me up.

    So take guns of the table and the West and Midwest are in play; take guns off the table in the South, and you lose by 12 points on Election Day instead of 14. Whoopee!
     
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    For those who didn't want to read the whole interview, I'd like to highlight the most powerful point he raised in that last long post:

     
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    Again, he's addressing the entire region with a very broad brush. I understand where he's coming from, but I believe in inclusion, and if you just denounce the entire region, like the GOP denounces the Northeast, then you are sinking to their level, and giving a big "**** you," to those who live there who don't share those beliefs.

    I'm a native Texan, and as a kid in the 50's, saw enough racism in Houston to last me a lifetime. I lived in a Southeast Houston neighborhood built for and populated by WWII vets, mainly working class. Most of them were fine, decent people, but many were ardent racists. Fortunately for me, my Dad was very liberal for the time, and a university professor, later to become a department chair, so I was exposed to a different world.

    Texas was overwhelmingly made up of conservative, yellow dog Democrats, but the state still managed to produce some fine progressives, like liberal Senator Ralph Yarbrough, and LBJ. Kennedy carried it in 1960. Hubert Humphrey in '68, Carter in '76. All progressive Democrats.

    The worm will turn. In my own mind, Texas isn't The South, but it's own region, but even so, it's a mistake to run against the South the way the GOP runs against the Northeast. We don't have to be like the Republican Party, and we sure as hell shouldn't be. We just have to be smarter, and find some good leadership. That the best we could come up with in '04 was John freakin' Kerry is an outrage. Who is to blame for that? The GOP? I think not. I'll blame them for a lot, but not that.

    We have to be smarter about running our national campaigns. Dean has done a better job than I expected him to, and I think he has the right idea. We are a national party, after all. I understand Schaller's passion, and where he's coming from, but I think it doesn't take a long enough view. We can make the GOP stay on it's heels, and we can make a good start in a couple of weeks.



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    Just my opinion:

    The Democrats could have a chance of regaining the South if they opened up to a policy of inclusiveness on issues such as Abortion and Gun Control. They could paint welfare and socialized medicine as a Christian ideal, and basically refuse to take a national stance on the core Christian political issues. (Do you think the Republicans would be the majority party if they had a hard-line on Abortion?) The Libertarians have a better chance of becoming the majority party in the Mountain West and Southwest than the Democrats. The position of the Democratic Party couldn't be further from the average voter in Arizona, Utah, and Wyoming. And while the Republican party in practice doesn't agree much with those voters, they at least give lip service to reducing the size of the Federal Government.
     
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    :rolleyes:

    The South dominates the North. We run the country, deal with it.
     
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    really?

    Wall Street and the Capital are in the south?

    Who would have thunk it?

    :p

    Maybe Nomar could give us a breakdown of federal tax revenue sharing by state?
     
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    I consider Virginia the South, so yes the Capital is in the South.

    And the South controls the political leadership of this country. Financial stuff is ancillary.
     
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    Rookies... :rolleyes:
     
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    Minor note: The Washington DC is entirely within the former territory of Maryland now. The original Virginia part of DC it has already been returned to Virginia. Most people don't consider Maryland part of the South.

    I do agree though that since the GOP regime controls the country and the GOP regime is now essentially the Confederate Party that the South disproportionately controls the country. But if Schaller's advice is followed, that can changed and the South can once again be marginalized as the regressive, backwards region of the country that it has been and still mostly is.
     

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