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More info on Rice injury

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by waltsucks, Aug 14, 2001.

  1. Rocket Freak

    Rocket Freak Member

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    All pharmaceutical drugs have side effects because they are man made chemicals that are toxic to your body and destroy your liver. ALL OF THEM.

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  2. KALIKULI

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    Ithink he had the same injury if i'm not mistaken when he was playing with the Fakers
     
  3. Dubious

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    Freak,
    That may or may not be tue. Just because a compond is man-made doesn't define it as "toxic". But the toxicity of some medicines has to be weighed against their benefits, especially,
    when one is dealing with Chronic Pain.

    That's true for anyone but a professional athlete making millions of dollars for his physical performance will certainly consider the benefits of drug therapy.

    When you develop arthiritis, carpal tunnel or Plantar Faciitis let us know how you deal with it.
     
  4. saleem

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    I have already mentioned in another thread,that we will be in major trouble if we pick up an injured Rice with such a huge and long contract and with his age.This will reduce his ability to shoot and run when he pounds the floor. All players need to have a firm grip on the court.Shooters can't put points up when they haven't been able to practice well in the off season,not even Rice.I totally agree with pippendagimp,we can manage without an injured Rice and we should resign Moochie immediately.We shouldn't have given up on Bullard without examining Rice's injury more closely.
     
  5. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    I've always wondered how Zo's plantar fasciitis cleared up. Once he had the kidney problem, you never heard anyone talk about it. But, I remember he had a very tough time getting over it. Does anyone know for sure how long it took him to get over it? Or does he still suffer from it? BTW - Another athlete that is dealing with this injury and is finding it very hard to heal is the Red Sox's John Valentin. I read in the Boston Globe recently that he is nowhere close to coming back this season.
     
  6. Rocket Freak

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    Gene,

    It is true. Yes, ALL pharmaceutical drugs that are made by humans are composed of CHEMICALS and ALL chemicals are toxic to our bodies and especially our livers since that organ is the primary one in removing toxins that we knowingly or unkowingly put in or on our bodies.

    Have you ever seen a drug commercial that didn't list a series of side effects? No, you haven't because they don't exist. Watch the commercials and listen to the end of every one of them.

    Mankind has lived for thousands of years with the food and medicine that is found on the planet. Only in the last 100 years have we started to make our own medicine and food. Everything in our bodies can be found in nature.

    Why? Very simple answer $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. You cannot patent a plant and that is why the legal drug pushers (pharmaceutical companies) have no interest in exploring the healing power of food. Pharmaceutical companies control the medical schools and brainwash our doctors. Toxic chemicals have never cured disease and they never will. Never.

    All drugs do is try to cover up the symptoms and leave the underlying cause of sickness untreated.

    If I had arthritis or carpal tunnel syndrome I would add lots of Essential Fatty Acids (healthy oils - Omega 3 and 6) to my diet to lubricate my joints. I would also eat lots of food that are high in silicon such as bell peppers, cucumbers and lettuce. I would also drink tons of pure water.

    As far as Plantar Faciitis goes, I would try hydrotherapy (alternating hot and cold to get massive circulation to the injury)and massage therapy coupled with food that would boost my immune system (all drugs suppress your immune system) such as garlic and echinacea.

    Peace
     
  7. Desert Scar

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    Nature produces plenty of toxins as well. Quite often by isolating specific compounds and getting rid of unnecessary compounds pharmaceutical medicines (designed for major biological changes or extensive intervention) have fewer toxicity than if you tried to eat enough of the whole plant or fungi or whatever to get the same effect as taking the meds.

    Of course, the human body is complex, and sometimes artificial supplements and meds do a poor job in enhancing health versus a more holistic or natural route. For instance, science has not found a way to duplicate the protective effects of eating fruits and veggies by trying to duplicate and isolate specific compounds to be packaged in supplements.

    Thus this issue is far more complicated than natural or medical is better or less toxic. I do think a lot of many natural remedies all over the world have too often been ignored as viable treatments by the medical and pharm establishments and profit motives certainly has been a part of it, though there is increasing testing going on than say 10 years ago (some improvement). However, if you have a major illness requiring extensive intervention I would in general recommend pursuing the medical route because the effects of what you are taking on your liver and kidneys will be monitored more closely and the dosage/compound used is regulated/tested by the FDA. There are some risks with most any treatment using large amounts of foreign substances to change the body, whether a med or "natural" remedy.
     
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  8. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    i don't know about that rocket freak. Antibiotics, interferron, and of course..man made vaccines have all been pretty helpful to everybody in the US. I don't think I would be going to far to say all these have saved millions of lives every YEAR in the US. You have a very Rosseau-ian/romantic way of looking at our technology, but you're being a little too over dramatic as far as the usefullness of drugs in our lives. Yes they are destructive to our liver...and Kidneys, but the benefits far out way the consequences..in most cases. Unless you have some hypochondriac that takes medicine if their toe hurts, then it becomes a problem.
     
  9. Rocket Freak

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    Desert Scar,

    For instance, science has not found a way to duplicate the protective effects of eating fruits and veggies by trying to duplicate and isolate specific compounds to be packaged in supplements.

    Exactly! They try to remove the compound that helps the most while leaving out many phytochemicals that have not even been discovered yet. Then they add a few other things so that they can then patent it and take everybody to the cleaners.

    Why not just eat the whole fruit, veggie or herb that they are trying to to extract ingredients from? It's cheaper and healthier, but we are being bombarded and brainwashed by the people who have all the money. This world is ruled by greed and deceit.

    Severe Rockets Fan,

    As far as antibiotics go...

    Sure you can say that man made antibiotics have worked, but bacteria are slowly becoming resistant (super germs). So, each antiobiotic only works for a time and then stops being effective. Antiobiotics also don't discriminate between good and bad bacteria so a lot of your own body's healthy bacteria are destroyed in the process. Why not just eat some garlic which the most perfect antibiotic in existence? It is an antibiotic, antiviral and antifungal plant all wrapped into one. Germs do not become resistant to garlic, it doesn't destroy good bacteria and it isn't toxic to your body.

    You can't improve on God

    Why do doctors prescribe antibiotics for people with influenza when antibiotics are ineffective against and do not kill viruses?

    We'll save the topic of vaccines for another time but I must list some of the ingredients in vaccines:

    Heavy metals like mercury and aluminum
    Pus from diseased animal organs
    Horse Serum
    Formaldehyde (a carcinogen) - used in embalming fluids
    Chicken Embryos - growth medium for virus

    Vaccines are supposed to provide immunity but we already have an immune system. Only when that system is supressed can any disease take hold in your body. Eat healthy, boost your immune system and you can blow any dis-ease out of your body.

    Your body knows how to create perfect health, you just need to give it what it needs, but we live in America and that philosophy doesn't fly.

    80% of the food on the grocery store shelves was not even in existence 20 years ago. And we wonder why everybody is sick.
     
  10. krosfyah

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    Can't this unanswerable philosophical medial debat just end?

    Give it a rest.
     
  11. Relativist

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    Actually, I find this quite interesting. :) However, I motion that this thread be moved to the Hangout. Admin care to second? ;)
     
  12. man532

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    I don't think Glen is motivated to win anymore. He's getting his cheese in chunks and realize the Rockets will not win a championship before his contract is up (3 years).

    I have never liked his D, his offense was his D. He played with Shaq and averaged okay numbers. Shaq requires a double team every night and that's with Kobe on the floor.

    I understand that steveF and Cat games are different from Shaq and Kobe, however, I think he will do the same for the Rocks as he did for L.A. maybe less because we have a scoring power forward in Mo Taylor who will command his shots at $6 mil per yr avg.

    Cat and Kobe shoot about the same number of shots a game.
     
  13. Desert Scar

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    However you ignored the other part of my comment that explains why many times meds are so helpful. There are more natural toxins than man made ones, sometimes isolating compounds removes other toxic compounds in that plant, fungi or whatever that is not part of the therapeutic effect. This is necessary to deliver many of the kinds of high doses needed for many more severe health problems.

    Again, it is not so simple to say meds are better than "natural" remedies or visa versa, my own view is we need more studies and comparisons of all of them.
     
  14. The Cat

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    Cat and Kobe shoot about the same number of shots a game.


    Mobley-- 15.3 shots per game
    Kobe-- 22.2 shots per game

    He's getting his cheese in chunks and realize the Rockets will not win a championship before his contract is up (3 years).

    You don't think the Rockets will be contenders within three years? Hope you are ready to take your lumps when you're proven wrong, and fast...
     
  15. Jeff

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    Just moving this per request and because it is getting WAY off basketball. :)
     
  16. waltsucks

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    Heard on t.v minutes ago that Rockets are to get 1st or 2nd round pick tomorrow and will sign Rice w/the bad feet.;)
     

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