You said that the border patrol asked the pilgrims to stop, but the video doesn't support your claim - in fact it's directly inconsistent with it. You have brought nothing to back up your claim - thus far it is hearsay. So your hearsay trumps what we see in a video and what the climbers as witnesses say???????? Dude, i think you know your position is so weak that you're actually pretty smart not to say anything more.
You're right, those "pilgrims" were actually spies smuggling secrets to the Dali Lama. ANd they were plotting to over throw the CHinese government as well! Oh yeah, they were Tibetan Assasians. And they were planning on throwing snowballs at the CHinese military. The guards were so scared of "long-range" snowballs - thank goodness they reacted in self-defense and had a little fun in killing a few of them. Give it up, everyone can see now how brutal the Chinese are toward the Tibetians.
Yep, thats definitely what I said. I just want you to be more measured in what you say. This is no where near one of the most horrfic events in the modern world, and comparing it to genocide disrespects these past events.
I just want to see you guys actually condemn and be able to criticize your own government or country or whatever. Frankly - what I saw in that video is tantamount and completely supports Tibetan claims that they are suffering under basically extinction - which is genocide.
michecon: Border guards tried to stop the group, maybe for a search. Warning shots were said to be heard. Reuters: "I heard two single shots, I assume those were the warning shots," he said. "There were two more shots quite widely spaced -- bang, bang. seriously, did you watch the whole videos and articles yourself posted?
All I can say to you is, WTF is wrong with you, as a person?!!! I never called any people names in this board, but you are surely the first one will receive that special treatment. I don't admit Chinese soldiers committing genocide by shooting someone in flee after warning shots were fired, I became not man enough to admit China isn't perfect? I defend my genocidal soldiers? Who's my soldiers? Where are the genocidal soldiers? My loyalty to what regime? what makes you assume that America is your country, but China is micheon's country or my country? ARen't you the same as Allen who told that dark skined person "welcome to America"? I can and am certainly entertaining the possibility that soldier did something wrong. Any loss of life is regrettable. I also said clearly that I do not fully believe the story of Chinese government and need further information to pass my judgement. However, a fleeing person who was shot after warning shots, does not imply a genocide. Similarily, a bi-polar passenger shot from the back doesn't equal to genocide of people with disabilities. An African American without a gun, shot by dozens of policemen with dozen shots, does not equal to genocide of African Americans. If you want to play the game of words, you should learn from Hayes, who masters that area and makes sense in that exercise. You are way out of his league. BTW, stop using the word "pilgrims". Nobody said that, confirmed that, or reported that, in news articles. If you want to play the game of critical reasoning, don't try. You really suck in simple logic. If you want to get into a insulting and pissing match, I don't mind exchanging some cursing words in 10 languages, including Indian.
So you also think that everyone who has an objection to any of your points is automatically and completely pro-PRC?
They sure looked like they were fleeing. And hey, they should know a warning shot right? I mean, a pilgrim...I mean, spy, knows what a warning shot it? If you are on a mountain, and you hear a gun shot - that means stop! Right? Righttttttttttttttttttt. How do you know he was fleeing? How do you know that he was armed and a threat? how do you know all of these things when all the evidence points the other direction???? There is no such thing as a language called Indian. That's like saying you speak Chinese - but you see, I know there's no language called Chinese just like there is no language called Indian.
You know what is wrong with NewYorker? He hate chinese. In his mind, chinese cannot be wronged, and anything that can go either way must go against Chinese.
Rather, stop making excuses for your China hate by accusing China of racial and cultural genocide over two men falling down on a snow mountain out of a blurry video clip. It clearly shows you hate China, murder or not.
See, you can't debate so the only way out is to call me a China hater. That's just too funny. Everyone hear is condeming what China has done - except you and other Chinese posters. Why?
Yes...those men just fell down and slipped. Why would I hate China? Without China - there's be no kung fu, Chinese food, China town, chinese yoyo's, there's be no Yao Ming, and you wouldn't have those two chinese guys with rockets jersey lip-synching....without China, ther'es be no fourth of july fireworks, hell, the world would be a sadder place without China. No, I love China. You know what I hate - the way the Chinese are treating the Tibetians. Maybe you should think about that....
I also hate the way the Chinese government treats Tibetans. Beating up on some veggie eating meditators. I guess there wasn't a group of unarmed students who were peacefully protesting to attack. I know if I heard a "warning" shot in the middle of nowhere my instincts would not be to stop and ask what you want. Cheers, Brock
I disagree with many other Chinese on Tibet and have gotten a lot of flack over it even on Clutchfans. That said I don't find this video totally convincing. The action of it seems too staged such as when the pilgrims are getting shot they make no attempt to take cover or help their companions but rather continue on at their same pace even as more of their party are shot. The European climbers seem surprisingly calm and don't display much unease regarding hiding a hunted man even when the PRC troops show up at their camp. When the PRC troops show up there are no shots of them that appear closer than 100 yards away even though the climbers claim they came right into the camp. What IMO though gives some credence though to the claim that pligrims were shot is that the PRC acknowledges something happened. So its clear that some event must have happened if all sides agree there was some incident where people were killed. From seeing the video alone though it seems too vague, too calm to be the actual event. For instance compare that to war footage we've seen from other Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon where when shots ring out you see people acting far more panicked than these Pilgrims and the climbers. This in no way excuses the cultural genocide and brutality that the PRC has done on Tibet. Whether this event is true or not it is undeniable that Tibetans have been brutalized by the PRC and much of their culture destroyed. While all of the PRC suffered under the madness of the GLF / CR that madness was brought upon the Tibetans by another people due to a revolution they had no part of.
NewYorker, Why are you so bitter? That is some crazy footage. With the cards that have been laid out, it's shameful that the soldiers are blaming the unarmed nun and menacing children for their "self defense". What a joke! Good thing the soldiers are trained in mortal combat to handle such situations. However, the age old advice of don't run from the cops apply anywhere. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to have children hike through the himalayas? Professional climbers die in the himalayas, much less children. The parents of those children should be beaten for putting them in harms way.
I think the video is pretty damning myself....I mean, it's hard to take cover on a snow-covered mountain....what are they going to do? But I think it's great that you can acknowledge what has happened overall. I wouldn't expect anything less from you....but it's ashame that many other Chinese posters here can not make the same statements you have.
