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Faith Based Initiative Administrator- Bush Staff Called Evangelicals "the Nuts"

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  1. gifford1967

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    Countdown Report

    Author David Kuo's conservative Christian credentials are impeccable; his resume sprinkled with names like Bennett and Ashcroft. Now, as the Foley cover-up has many evangelical Christians wondering whether the G.O.P. is really in sync with their values, "Tempting Faith" provides the answer: No way.

    Kuo, citing one example after another of a White House that repeatedly uses evangelical Christians for their votes — while consistently giving them nothing in return;

    A White House which routinely speaks of the nation's most famous evangelical leaders behind their backs, with contempt and derision.

    Furthermore, Faith-Based Initiatives were not only stiffed on one public promise after another by Mr. Bush — the office itself was eventually forced to answer a higher calling: Electing Republican politicians.

    Kuo's bottom line: the Bush White House is playing millions of American Christians for suckers.

    According to Kuo, Karl Rove's office referred to evangelical leaders as 'the nuts.'

    Kuo says, 'National Christian leaders received hugs and smiles in person and then were dismissed behind their backs and described as 'ridiculous,' 'out of control,' and just plain 'goofy.' "

    So how does the Bush White House keep 'the nuts' turning out at the polls?

    One way, regular conference calls with groups led by Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Ted Haggard, and radio hosts like Michael Reagan.

    Kuo says, "Participants were asked to talk to their people about whatever issue was pending. Advice was solicited [but] that advice rarely went much further than the conference call. [T]he true purpose of these calls was to keep prominent social conservatives and their groups or audiences happy."

    They do get some things from the Bush White House, like the National Day of Prayer, "another one of the eye-rolling Christian events," Kuo says.

    And "passes to be in the crowd greeting the president when he arrived on Air Force One or tickets for a speech he was giving in their hometown. Little trinkets like cufflinks or pens or pads of paper were passed out like business cards. Christian leaders could give them to their congregations or donors or friends to show just how influential they were. Making politically active Christians personally happy meant having to worry far less about the Christian political agenda."

    When cufflinks weren't enough, the White House played the Jesus card, reminding Christian leaders that, quote, "they knew the president's faith" and begging for patience.

    And the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives?

    According to Kuo, "White House staff didn't want to have anything to do with the Faith-Based Initiative because they didn't understand it any more than did congressional Republicans . They didn't lie awake at night trying to kill it. They simply didn 't care."

    Kuo relates one faith-based promise after another — billions of dollars in funding and tax credits — that goes unfulfilled year after promise after year.

    He recounts one specific funding exchange with Mr. Bush:

    Bush: "Eight billion in new dollars?"

    Kuo: "No sir. Eight billion in existing dollars for which groups will find it technically easier to apply. But faith-based groups have been getting that money for years."

    Bush: "Eight billion. That's what we'll tell them. Eight billion in new funds for faith-based groups."

    Why bother lying?

    Kuo says, "The faith-based initiative had the potential to successfully evangelize more voters than any other."

    According to Kuo, the Office spent much of its time on two missions:

    One—Trying–and failing–to prove Mr. Bush's claim of regulatory bias against religious charities hiring who they wanted. Quote: "Finding these examples became a huge priority. …[but] religious groups had encountered very few instances of actual problems with their hiring practices." "It really wasn't that bad at all."

    Another mission: lobbying the President to make good on his own promises.

    How?

    Kuo says they tried to prove their political value by turning the once-bipartisan faith-based initiatives into a political operation.

    It wasn't just discrimination against non-Christian charities. (One official who rated grant applications told Kuo, " when I saw one of those non-Christian groups in the set I was reviewing, I just stopped looking at them and gave them a zero…a lot of us did. ")

    The Office was also, literally, a taxpayer-funded part of the Republican campaign machinery.

    In 2002, Kuo says the office decided to "hold roundtable events for threatened incumbents with faith and community leaders … using the aura of our White House power to get a diverse group of faith and community leaders to a 'nonpartisan' event discussing how best to help poor people in their area."

    White House Political Affairs director Ken Mehlman "loved the idea and gave us our marching orders. There were twenty targets." Including Saxby Chambliss in Georgia and John Shimkus in Illinois.

    Mehlman devised a cover-up for the operation. He told Kuo, "It can't come from the campaigns. That would make it look too political. It needs to come from the congressional offices. We'll take care of that by having our guys call the office to request the visit."

    Kuo explains, "this approach inoculated us against accusations that we were using religion and religious leaders to promote specific candidates."

    Those roundtables were a hit. Republicans won 19 of those 20 races. 76 percent of religious conservatives voted for Chambliss over decorated war hero Max Cleland.

    And Bush's 2004 victory in Ohio? That "was at least partially tied to the conferences [they] had launched [there] two years before."

    By that time, Kuo had left the White House, concluding that "it was mocking the millions of faithful Christians who had put their trust and hope in the President and his administration. Bush knew his so-called compassion agenda was languishing and had no problem with that."

    If you would question Mr. Kuo's credibility, you should know his former boss also quit the White House complaining in his one public interview that politics drove absolutely everything in the Bush administration. There is more, much more revealed in Tempting Faith… how Jack Kemp was tricked into sounding like a religious conservative without even knowing it; Jerry Falwell's astonishing behavior at the 9/11 Day of Remembrance and considerably more as our Countdown exclusive of Tempting Faith continues here tomorrow night.


    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/...issecting-new-book-tempting-faith/#more-10956
     
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  2. MadMax

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    they played us for suckers when they said "compassionate." i've seen nothing resembling that, particularly in domestic policy. i've seen nothing but favors for corporations at the expense of human beings. in mid-term elections, i'll be voting democrat much more often than not. the pendulum has shifted way too far right. disturbingly so.
     
  3. jo mama

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    i thought it was christian to torture people?
     
  4. Deckard

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    That isn't particularly helpful. You have people who are Christians, and then you have people who use Christians, and words, to advance an agenda that has nothing to do with the religion. Max knows the difference.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    I totally agree.

    DD
     
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    exactly what happens to every religion :(
     
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    Or one might venture to postulate that religions are formed for precisely that reason.
     
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    That is also true. There will always be idiots in the world. And they will always find a way to excuse for their terrible actions. And the easiest way is claiming a higher being or leader wanted you to do that. That way you take away your own responsibility.

    However i think religion is formed for a different reason, it gives hope.
     
  9. jo mama

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    of course, i was being sarcastic. the bush administration has manipulated christianity and christians for their own purposes - i believe they will get what is coming to them in the next life for it.

    how would jesus feel about bush going around torturing people, sending them off to other countries to be "rendered" or bush's legal council john yoo saying bush can sexually torture children infront of their parents?

    how anyone can say with a straight face that bush represents christian values is beyond me.

    jesus is george bush's favorite philosopher though, so he must be good.
     
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    I will vote for Ron Paul,

    the rest are a waste of time.
     
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    i'm certain Jesus delivered the sermon on the mount just for this purpose! :D
     
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    I heard he wanted a dividend tax cut for his carpentry business.
     
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    His workers went union and the Romans wouldn't pass any tort reforms.
     
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    awesome! :)
     
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    Seriously though, this is like so many stories coming out about this administration. If you've been paying attention, this is not surprising. It's clear they had an agenda of power and it's clear the "compassionate" line was hooey and it's been clear that they held the Religious Right in contempt. For them, there is no policy and there is no government, only domestic politics and everything is filtered through that mindset.

    In this story, only the details are new.
     
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    Author David Kuo's conservative Christian credentials are impeccable; his resume sprinkled with names like Bennett and Ashcroft. Now, as the Foley cover-up has many evangelical Christians wondering whether the G.O.P. is really in sync with their values, "Tempting Faith" provides the answer: No way.

    Let me see. Leading into the midterm elections we have

    1. Iraq War. 85% of Americans say that Iraq will effect their vote. The day-to-day news from Iraq is bad and not getting any better.

    2. Pedo Foley, not only tolerated but encouraged by the Repub Congressional leadership since the mid 90s. For those keeping score at home, while the Repubs were ripping Clinton a new hole for banging an intern, they were turning a blind eye toward Foley's inappropriate conduct with minor pages.

    3. Social Conservatives getting played like a two dollar w****. They were squawking before Tempting Faith, which will now only make them more resolute.

    I am wondering what the Dems will have to do to screw this up and get neither House of Congress. Everything right now is breaking for them.
     
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    After attending several churches in College Station and other bible belt areas for the last couple of years, its a no brainer as to how evangelicals got suckered.

    Many can't seem, or refuse to differentiate between America, their cultural values and Christianity. It was only a matter of time before some politician exploited this.
     
  18. halfbreed

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    I just wish these "nuts" didn't continue to dominate the Republican platform.
     
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    College Station is a Bible Belt area?
     
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    Leave TMac640 out of it. :cool:
     

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